Why is it bipolar can join military but aspies can't?

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07 Feb 2016, 2:15 am

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I gotta give some respect to people who try their best to make it in the military, and still wash out through no fault of their own.

It's those people who never try, especially those who are able, and who then criticize the military at every turn that I have diminished respect for.


I tried, the had to watch all my friends go and serve. I don't have many friends because of this. Most people I meet are military or ex I military, they all talk about it. I'm so left out because I couldn't serve so have no stories or experience. The there's the ones who talk bad or look down on people who didn't. And ask why I didn't go serve. :(
I can't tell them why.



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07 Feb 2016, 3:53 am

No one should look down on you just because you didn't serve in the military. Lots of people have objections to serving in the armed forces in any event.

You wouldn't necessarily enjoy the experience. I was exempted from the conscription which our country had enforced at the time I left school, and so was a friend of mine. I don't think either of us would have managed well had we been required to go.


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12 Feb 2016, 4:21 am

I'm really critical of the whole hero-worship mindset I see associated with the military. But I'm definitely better off because of the investment other people made in me, and I really don't like the notion that a whole subsection of people who could really use the growing opportunity are barred from it.


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12 Feb 2016, 8:18 am

Fnord wrote:
I gotta give some respect to people who try their best to make it in the military, and still wash out through no fault of their own.

It's those people who never try, especially those who are able, and who then criticize the military at every turn that I have diminished respect for.


^ This.


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27 Feb 2016, 2:19 pm

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My friend who's been arrested for viloent stuff, suffers from bipolar and they'll taking him. But all I have is aspergers and adhd and I can't join. Wtf

Wasn't it a bipolar guy who snapped and blew up his squad with a grenade few years back. And bipolar people will change and just disappear, so how is it they'd let them in out them in stressful situations where their reaction is unknown even to themselves but not aspies who only problem is lacking socialization.


I'm retired military - a major - and I have Aspergers. The change came during the first year of the Obama administration. Oh-blah-blah simply does not care for Aspergians.


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28 Feb 2016, 1:13 am

Why would you want to join the army, OP?

Military life is harsh. And if you go to war, you'll be cannon fodder.



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03 Mar 2016, 6:01 pm

...So , you are saying that the barring of Aspergerians from the military (In general ? All five/six services ?) came in under people appointed by Obama ?
It was a policy put in by Obama choices for the military ?
Maybe so ~ I'd just like to hear the story . I really would be interested in hearing the story .


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My friend who's been arrested for viloent stuff, suffers from bipolar and they'll taking him. But all I have is aspergers and adhd and I can't join. Wtf

Wasn't it a bipolar guy who snapped and blew up his squad with a grenade few years back. And bipolar people will change and just disappear, so how is it they'd let them in out them in stressful situations where their reaction is unknown even to themselves but not aspies who only problem is lacking socialization.


I'm retired military - a major - and I have Aspergers. The change came during the first year of the Obama administration. Oh-blah-blah simply does not care for Aspergians.[/quote]



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05 Mar 2016, 2:37 am

ASS-P wrote:
...So , you are saying that the barring of Aspergerians from the military (In general ? All five/six services ?) came in under people appointed by Obama ?
It was a policy put in by Obama choices for the military ?
Maybe so ~ I'd just like to hear the story . I really would be interested in hearing the story .


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My friend who's been arrested for viloent stuff, suffers from bipolar and they'll taking him. But all I have is aspergers and adhd and I can't join. Wtf

Wasn't it a bipolar guy who snapped and blew up his squad with a grenade few years back. And bipolar people will change and just disappear, so how is it they'd let them in out them in stressful situations where their reaction is unknown even to themselves but not aspies who only problem is lacking socialization.


I'm retired military - a major - and I have Aspergers. The change came during the first year of the Obama administration. Oh-blah-blah simply does not care for Aspergians.


That's not my experience at all, originally, I was upfront about my diagnosis to my Navy recruiter, and that got me DQ'ed. I went to a different region and didn't mention it to my Army recruiter, who further instructed me on what not the say. This was all in the 2002-2003 timeframe.


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05 Mar 2016, 7:16 pm

Kyle Katarn wrote:
Why would you want to join the army, OP?

Military life is harsh. And if you go to war, you'll be cannon fodder.


How "harsh" and where did you gain this experience?


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05 Mar 2016, 9:52 pm

I sense a brow-beating in the making.


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07 Mar 2016, 7:35 pm

...How long ago did you know him ? Bluntly , did he become homeless and join the military for , indeed , somewhere to live ?
Was it a " reserves " join-up - which I think means a a " short " , year , year-and-a-half or so , enlistment (well , except back when the Iraq war wwas on , then it was more) ? Was he non-homeless before he was and then he enlisted ?


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I know he went through Basic, then went to AIT. I'm not sure how long he was in the "full" army. I know he's in the Reserves now. He's close to 40.



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07 Mar 2016, 8:54 pm

He works with me---but I actually think he didn't have a permanent home at the time he joined the military. He just left his wife.

He's in the Reserves now. I think he might be deployed to Afghanistan soon.



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08 Mar 2016, 8:37 pm

...IIRC , someone's job is protected if/while they join the military , so , when he did , his job at your org would have been protected...A part of me wonderes what might've been if if I'd joined the military of one kind or another (thinking more or wateer-oriented Navy or Coast Guard , or one Air Firce vet my age said that might've been good) , but of course , it's exponentionally far too late now :( Obviously , many people rise to/are made better by a military stint , but , at the same time , some people ~ and that's even apart from the nessecary war part ~ do not fit i well , or are preyed upon by other , bad apple , persons within the military .
My Aspie-ness = rather " sissy-ness/bookishness/sensitivity "/whatever , which turns some people off .
Someone could've done something bad to me .
Of course , people did bad things to me in the outside world , anyway :cry: ...........Perhaps , if I had known I was going to be homeless for so long , I'dve enlisted just so I could validly make the " HOME#LESS VET " claim , hah hah :? :( :P !



quote="kraftiekortie"]He works with me---but I actually think he didn't have a permanent home at the time he joined the military. He just left his wife.

He's in the Reserves now. I think he might be deployed to Afghanistan soon.[/quote]



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08 Mar 2016, 8:42 pm

Some people just can't make it in the military.

Many of these people do quite well in civilian life, though.



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08 Mar 2016, 9:05 pm

ASS-P wrote:
...IIRC , someone's job is protected if/while they join the military , so , when he did , his job at your org would have been protected...A part of me wonderes what might've been if if I'd joined the military of one kind or another (thinking more or wateer-oriented Navy or Coast Guard , or one Air Firce vet my age said that might've been good) , but of course , it's exponentionally far too late now :( Obviously , many people rise to/are made better by a military stint , but , at the same time , some people ~ and that's even apart from the nessecary war part ~ do not fit ni well , or are preyed upon by other , bad apple , persons within the military .
My Aspie-ness = rather " sissy-ness/bookishness/sensitivity "/whatever , which turns some people off .
Someone could've done something bad to me .
Of course , people did bad things to me in the outside world , anyway :cry: ...........Perhaps , if I had known I was going to be homeless for so long , I'dve enlisted just so I could validly make the " HOME#LESS VET " claim , hah hah :? :( :P !



quote="kraftiekortie"]He works with me---but I actually think he didn't have a permanent home at the time he joined the military. He just left his wife.

He's in the Reserves now. I think he might be deployed to Afghanistan soon.
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08 Mar 2016, 9:15 pm

...I have lots to say about my life now , perhaps it should be in a line of my own , even if we're talking here .
On a certain level , it would've been nice to have the military thing in my past .
I have been homeless (or one step above/" recently "-at this moment not homeless , which never worked out and just meant a return to homelessness) continuously since middish-1996 .
1985-87 , too .