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07 Mar 2016, 8:36 pm

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Imagine if someone created a movement called 'childism' which advocated for the rights of children.

At first it would address issues that most people would consider reasonable like child-abuse, but as the movement grows and there is money to be made from childist books and being a chidrens studies professor the more the movement would have to make exaggerated claims to keep the movement going.

The only reason people would suspend their disbelief and put up with the more ridiculous aspect of childism would be because children are valued and cared for.

there was such a movement, it was largely pushed by labor unions from ~1832 until 1938 when FDR signed the Fair Labor Standards Act into law. there were people pushing against it then also. maybe you should read Oliver Twist, Dickens wrote it to publicize how poorly kids were treated at the time.

From 2010 to 2014 the more misogynistic U.S. political party tried to repeal (& some cases succeeded) state level child labor laws:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/14/944565/-
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/16/republicans-bring-child-labor-tobacco-farms-south.html
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/03/31/154895/gop-loves-child-labor/
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/capitol-report/gop-set-to-roll-back-child-labor-laws/article_77bf08b2-93c5-11e0-8876-001cc4c03286.html

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08 Mar 2016, 5:42 am

Fugu wrote:

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I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

Notice that XFG said natural AND man-made disasters. In situations where casualties are caused by being literally in the wrong place at the wrong time....I'm not all that convinced. But where people need to have the NERVE to do something or end up being killed, that's where men come in.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

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08 Mar 2016, 7:43 am

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

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I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

Not in the data I've found.

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08 Mar 2016, 1:41 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

Not in the data I've found.

my mistake, got that from here but didn't see the bit about it being solely for the titanic. though women do have higher buoyancy generally speaking.

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08 Mar 2016, 2:57 pm

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

*FARTS*

Thank you, for providing a perfect example of farting as aggression.

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08 Mar 2016, 3:31 pm

Edenthiel wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

*FARTS*

Thank you, for providing a perfect example of farting as aggression.

Actually, I can tell by the mildly spicy redolence that this was a guff of solidarity for the fallen.

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08 Mar 2016, 3:46 pm

The power of positive stinking!

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08 Mar 2016, 3:54 pm

Edenthiel wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

*FARTS*

Thank you, for providing a perfect example of farting as aggression.

Your welcome. :mrgreen:

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08 Mar 2016, 4:39 pm

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The power of positive stinking!

The smell of success.

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08 Mar 2016, 5:54 pm

Fugu wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

Fugu wrote:

AR15000 wrote:

I guess that those of us with weiners save ourselves where there's a natural disaster we're on a sinking ship.

pretty much, yes.

if we're still talking about a ship sinking, women are more likely to survive then men are. (~12% vs 75%)

Not in the data I've found.

my mistake, got that from here but didn't see the bit about it being solely for the titanic. though women do have higher buoyancy generally speaking.

I've never read any thing about the buoyancy of either sex, so I can't comment.

But the study I'm thinking of is here: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/33/13220.full

Basically, if the ship sinks, statistically, it's better to be a dude, which doesn't jive with the whole "women are valued more" narrative.

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08 Mar 2016, 6:58 pm

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I've never read any thing about the buoyancy of either sex, so I can't comment.

On average, women have a much higher percentage of body fat than men. Fat floats, muscle sinks, therefore women tend to float better in water. So yeah if you dumped 100 men and 100 women into an ocean and had them tread water for twelve hours you'd probably find a lot more female survivors since they'd have used less energy to stay top side. That being said we're talking about a disaster, so then there's the powerful pushing the weak out of the way to survive and that certainly overrule anything to do with physics as far as the death toll breakdown. The fact is, you're more likely to die at the hands of another human than any kind of natural disaster, animal attack, or random event (comet, building collapse, etc). Humans are dangerous, the rest of the world, not so much.

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08 Mar 2016, 7:08 pm

If you leave an elevator before a woman in the southern states you get funny looks from people because it is the social norm to wait for all women to leave first.
Men hitting women is a big taboo thing in society, women are not subject to the military draft and it took a long time to even get them to be allowed to be soldiers.

Women did survive sinking boats more when the captain ordered 'women and children first' the captain's who did order it must have grown up in a society where he considered women as high value.
No captain ever ordered 'men and children first'.

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08 Mar 2016, 7:12 pm

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And yet, on most sinking boats, more women died than men.

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08 Mar 2016, 8:14 pm

In the report it lists about six theories why that is, none of which is hatred of women or thinking that women are worth less than men.

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08 Mar 2016, 8:34 pm

slenkar wrote:

In the report it lists about six theories why that is, none of which is hatred of women or thinking that women are worth less than men.

And yet they died anyway.

Not a compelling argument that females are more "highly valued than men."

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08 Mar 2016, 8:52 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

Not a compelling argument that females are more "highly valued than men."

But perhaps an argument that they're not strong swimmers?

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