Trump says Hispanic Americans have an 'inherent conflict'

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07 Jun 2016, 4:00 pm

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I honestly don't get how anyone can legitimately call this racist. He's claiming that the judge is biased against him because the judge is a member of a group who does not like him. Honestly, how would it be any different than if Hillary was in court for something and the judge was a well known NRA member and she expressed anger that the judge was openly hostile toward her (her perception) due to statements she's made regarding the NRA?

I don't get how you can pretend that insisting someone is incapable of doing their job professionally on the basis of their ethnicity isn't the very definition of racism. When even his lawyers won't support him on something, there's probably a reason.

For the record, I disagree with Trump making an issue out of this, I just don't think it's racist. Whether you're born into the group or not, if that group is openly hostile towards you, it can call into question the fairness of how someone in that group would treat you. As in my example, if Hilary is indicted and the assigned judge is NRA member and he does something Hilary thinks is unfair (whether it's actually unfair or not), she could make the exact same argument. The point is that the race doesn't matter, it's a group and the same process could be applied to any group.

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07 Jun 2016, 4:03 pm

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If anything, Agri-business should be wrangled in by government regulation. That way, higher wages, shorter working hours, safety regulations, and benefits would induce Americans to actually want to work for them.

And you know this because it worked so well for Detroit and the auto business?

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07 Jun 2016, 4:04 pm

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First, to the OP, put up an article that can be read without having to be bought. Second, the judge SHOULD NOT be on the case - he is a member of La Raza. Trump is right. I'm tired of this damn racist crap - it is total BS! I say kick this judge's ass right across the border along with the rest of the illegals and get that damn wall built!

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... ot-racist/

If you booted the judge into Mexico, he'd be an immigrant, as he's a born American citizen.
If you want to convince the rest of us that we're wrong, I'd suggest you cite something considerably more reliable than Breitbart.

No, I will not cite another source. What I learned is that no matter what source I cite it will never be good enough for the Left. I know in my own mind and heart that Trump is right and I don't really give a damn if anyone else does or not. And yes, the judge should be off the case because it is a conflict of interest. Look up "La Raza" and then get back to me.

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07 Jun 2016, 4:08 pm

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Firstly, the assumption that the judge would be anything but professional and impartial on the basis of any group affiliation is nonsense. We expect people in that line of work to demonstrate integrity. If Trump has a reasonable basis to question Curiel's integrity he's welcome to spell out his case - so far he has failed to make a case.

Secondly, if it wasn't racial he shouldn't have made race the issue. Trump chose to make race the issue. I thought legal Hispanics were on Trump's side? Isn't that what he always insists? Well, here's a Mexican-American, born in the US from parents who immigrated legally, who went on to become a judge. Aren't those the success stories that Trump insists are backing him? Hiding your head in the sand or else where won't make his racism any less blatantly obvious. The chump isn't using a dogwhistle - he's using a bullhorn.

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07 Jun 2016, 4:11 pm

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You should look up La Raza Lawyers of San Diego (the correct La Raza) since you keep dishonestly or ignorantly conflating it with the National Council of La Raza. You can't base your opinions on objectively incorrect understandings of the topic and expect your opinions to be given credibility.

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07 Jun 2016, 5:27 pm

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What are you talking about? I found this:

http://larazalawyers.net/id3.html

What is that down at the bottom of the page? NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA Link.
And DO NOT call me ignorant or dishonest, got that?

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07 Jun 2016, 5:38 pm

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What is that down at the bottom of the page? NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA Link.
And DO NOT call me ignorant or dishonest, got that?

Ah-ha! Guilt by link.

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07 Jun 2016, 5:44 pm

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What is that down at the bottom of the page? NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA Link.
And DO NOT call me ignorant or dishonest, got that?

Ah-ha! Guilt by link.

And what do you mean by this post?

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07 Jun 2016, 6:03 pm

nurseangela wrote:

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What is that down at the bottom of the page? NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA Link.
And DO NOT call me ignorant or dishonest, got that?

Ah-ha! Guilt by link.

And what do you mean by this post?

I mean that it is a telling detail. If the site is referring to the other site then they are endorsing them. Still though I think the issue is Curiel's ability to put aside any personal prejudices to act professionally. Trump seems unaware that this is possible.

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07 Jun 2016, 6:52 pm

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And DO NOT call me ignorant or dishonest, got that?

You labelled the judge as 'an illegal' repeatedly despite it being objective fact he's an American citizen - this is either ignorant or dishonest. I call a spade a spade. Dwi.

Indeed, they have a link to the National Council of La Raza at the bottom of the page, in a section with links to several other civil rights and community groups that focus on the Latino community. This is perhaps an endorsement but does not indicate that
La Raza Lawyers of San Diego is directly affiliated with National Council of La Raza any more than they are affiliated with National Latino Peace Officers Association or League of United Latin American Citizens.

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07 Jun 2016, 6:57 pm

Donald Trump's racism is not only direct at Mexicans, but Muslims as well. By extension, it's directed at Hispanics and Middle-Easterners too.

I do not want a racist president. Nor do I want a president who is contemptuous of women, hourly workers, and anyone who holds a diverging or opposing opinion.

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07 Jun 2016, 7:28 pm

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Actually, we would be very satisfied if you could find a source that is known to be unbiased, or even left leaning.

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07 Jun 2016, 7:30 pm

This is really going to be an interesting election.

Historic....for all the wrong reasons.

Trump makes obviously idiotic statements...and he's still standing. I don't get it!

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07 Jun 2016, 7:33 pm

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And DO NOT call me ignorant or dishonest, got that?

Let me correct what I meant then by saying that I know the judge is not an illegal citizen (I'm not stupid), but I still mean to throw him over the wall with the rest of the illegals since he is definitely on THEIR side and has a conflict of interest in THIS case.

An endorsement means that you agree with that group. THIS is the reason that I don't engage in any debates with people on the Left anymore. It doesn't matter what evidence someone puts in front of you, you are still going to make the other person out to be the idiot. Well, I'm not the idiot. The judge is in with La Raza as far as I am concerned - end of story. NEXT!

Oh, and I almost forgot - GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP! GO TRUMP!

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07 Jun 2016, 7:34 pm

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And you know this because it worked so well for Detroit and the auto business?

The Detroit auto industry collapsed because of corporate greed, and by the machinations of right wing plutocrats. I fail to see how anyone but the heads of big corporations see any prosperity when everyone else is working for starvation wages, and still have a strong national economy. How about passing laws forbidding corporations from betraying the American people by outsourcing to other countries?

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07 Jun 2016, 7:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Actually, we would be very satisfied if you could find a source that is known to be unbiased, or even left leaning.

I mean no disrespect when I say this because I like you as a person, Kraichgauer, but my lot in life is not to make the Left satisfied - at least not anymore. Any news article that is Left-leaning wouldn't be telling the truth from the Right, would it? It's actually very hard to find a Right media as all of the media is Left biased. That is why the Left always gets away with the crap it pulls - because the media doesn't report anything negative on the Democratic side if it can help it.

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