Is BLM really talking about black-on-black crime?

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Yes that's the first I've heard of it. 1969 though. A different World. Riots would not have achieved America-wide Supreme Court endorsed gay marriage.

But I think I know what you're getting at, since you think that BLM in current form is a good thing. That violent action can be an acceptable and effective way of getting things done. I don't think it's something that has to be automatically off the table. But I think it will make things worse here, and indeed already has.

I'm also very concerned about what BLM will do if they get what they want with the police. As that will just validate their tactics. So they'll just double down on it against their next targets.

Shouting, bullying and rioting? Yeah, I think I know what this group actually does.

Is there any proof that white cops are just.shooting innocent blacks left and right? I've already proved several times that the shootings BLM talks about have a lot more to them than a white cop killing a black man. But that's all BLM cares about.

I'm despicable for bringing attention to a HUGE problem that nobody wants to talk about? f**k you. You're honestly going to compare the plight of black people before the civil rights movement to black people now? Do I really need to explain how wrong that is?

Yes, it is the fault of that one person that kills. It's not just one person, though; it's a f**k ton, and they are killing tons of other black people. But just ignore that I guess, because apparently crime is acceptable when black people do it.

I've been thinking about this for a while. I'm not entirely sure, but I'm leaning towards you being right, and that it was a fallacious argument.

...I'm also very concerned about what BLM will do if they get what they want with the police. As that will just validate their tactics. So they'll just double down on it against their next targets....

It's called activism. And the violence was minor. It's not like the Black Panthers going around carrying guns openly, shadowing the police to make sure they aren't doing anything wrong. But I get it, only white people are allowed to do that.

........I'm despicable for bringing attention to a HUGE problem that nobody wants to talk about? f**k you. ......
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You really think black people are dumb, don't you? You think they don't know what's going on? And I bet you don't even think you're racist.

This could be you in the 1960s letting Martin Luther King know what he was doing wrong:

So just ignore the shootings? Ignore the riots? Ignore the hateful rhetoric? Just because they aren't literally declaring war? Where is the logic in that?

You're not going to win. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

Because it's "activism", a huge umbrella term, does that somehow make it okay?

You're putting words in my mouth. MLK has nothing to do with BLM. The current state of affairs is not at all the same as it was at the time of the civil rights movement, and you're delusional if you think it is.

Are you sure you're 35? You skipped past all the foreplay and went right to the main event. There's a reason the question was addressed to Kraich.

As for how cops are where I am, my experiences have varied from town to town, city to city, country to country. I find that LEOs tend to be less pleasant in poverty-stricken areas, and I can personally attest that having white skin is not a shield against 'thorough' cops.



Which is precisely what they do. How many of the 100 or so black people killed last year by cops were done so because of 'trigger happy racism'? If you wish to have the narrative taken remotely seriously, it's time to provide some supporting data.



Randomly? Are you familiar with the data the cops have on these individuals? Their known associates? Their history? Law enforcement tends to be more proactive in areas of high crime. What might seem heavy-handed to someone who has spent their life in a bubble is often resultant of an environment where police have to be more vigilant regarding their own personal safety and that of others.

You've argued that citizens shouldn't 'have' to be afraid of cops. That cuts both ways.



Although he was crass enough to throw an F-bomb your way, your implication is unjustified. What's more racist? Questioning the motives of a self-described black advocacy group, or bubble-wrapping them against criticism in a way you would not do for a white advocacy group?



As you can see, that's clearly not a problem for some folks here.

I think cops who shoot people at the drop of a hat have to start thinking of other ways to resolve issues other than shooting people.

I think the black people who go around committing crimes and victimizing their brethren have to think of a different way to live.

I think cops should have a serious dialogue with each other (some probably already are).

I think black people have to have a serious dialogue with each other (some probably already are).

I think cops and black people should have a serious dialogue with each other together.

If successful, all this "dialoguing" would preclude the need for BLM to do their protesting and (amongst the lunatic- fringe minority) commit their dirty tricks.

Simple? Yes....very simple!

Has it been tried before? Many times!! ! Without much success? Many times!! !! ! With actually some success? Many times, too!! !!

But these dialogues must continue. While total success has not be attained, we have made inroads since the Civil Rights Era. We're just not seeing it because of all this hysteria.

All we do is attack each other here! Why can't we have a nice, amiable discussion about things?

All this fighting is not contributing to anything. It's leading to more and more obfuscation and the use of complex rhetorical devices (as well as these ridiculous quote trees!) designed to prove we are extremely clever, and that we could be slick with each other. None of this attempts to get at the root of the problem. Everything revolves in circles, and we are constantly going back to Square One.

Cops are shooting black people for reasons which are sometimes unjustified.

Black people are victimizing each other left and right.

I think we can agree that both are occurring.

BLM really should address black-on-black crime. If they believe "black lives matter."

Malcolm X certainly addressed it.

I focus my 'attacks' primarily on ideas.



Because some people have some very silly ideas and insist on posting them here.



If the only purpose it serves is to broaden the mind of a single participant in the conversation, that's sufficient for me.



So answer a straight question when it's asked of you. What is your issue with advocacy for "white rights"?



That's a cynical and unhelpful judgement. I suspect that the quote trees are the result of vigorous scrutiny and a desire for order. They may not float your boat, but I personally find it helps to keep things in their proper perspective. Unless you're referring to the Fisking, which I, for one, will not be giving up in a hurry.



The solution to this one is to first give the OP the benefit of the doubt regarding motivation. We've already seen an unfounded implication of racism levied their way. The next step is to take a step back from the triggered auto-response mechanism that's hell-bent on categorising the OP as hateful or bigoted because "buzzword, buzzword, reasons".



We most certainly can agree that both are occurring, but it would be remiss of me to not point out that cops are also shooting white people, Hispanics and Asians in much the same circumstances and higher numbers (though not per capita). Cops are people. People make mistakes. Many of the wrongful killings can be attributed, mundanely, to simple human error. It would also be remiss of me to ignore the fact that such errors are more likely to occur in areas which the cop in question deems to be more dangerous due to higher rates of criminal activity.

These points are neither unproductive nor obfuscatory, they are legitimate and necessary responses to some of the rhetoric and narratives that have been presented as facts both within this thread and without.

I agree that cops are shooting whites, Hispanics, etc. in a similar manner as they are shooting blacks. There must be a way for cops to stop thinking that every "shiny object" is a gun. There's been too many of these "shiny objects" popping up, providing a pretext for a cop to shoot somebody.

I do agree that cops have to be more vigilant in high-crime areas. But they have to get better training. There has to be more of a "reason" for a cop to shoot somebody, other than the existence of a "shiny object." I'm scared I'm going to be shot myself if some "shiny object" shows up during a traffic stop, and a cop thinks I'm "moving a little too much."

Probably one of the reasons why BLM exists is because of the historic racist relationship between cops and blacks (yes, sometimes involving lynching), and that they fear that a repeat performance is happening. Alas, there are cops who still maintain the old prejudices (Yes, I've heard the expression of these prejudices coming out of cops' mouths, especially when they've had a little too much to drink).

Let me say that it is definite that not all cops are racists; in fact, it's possible that most of them are not racist these days.

I don't like many of the methods which BLM uses, but there is a reason for its existence.

And they should address the reasoning behind black-on-black crime.

If they only look for shiny objects, one day they’re going to be shot with a dull weapon.

No one from BLM is responsible for any shootings. And the so-called riots were nothing like what happened after Michael Brown was shot in Ferguson. In fact it was nothing like what happens after some sports teams win. If it weren't for this outlet, those people might be burning down businesses. By hateful rhetoric, I guess that's comparing police to pigs? Just a sign of disrespect and understandable anger. I know you can't ignore it because black people are speaking out and that's unforgivable in your mind.