On the origin of "Black People Can't be Racist"

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I agree with this. "You are a racist" is a term that has power. To most people, it conveys two things: 1) Your speech or behavior reveals that you harbor prejudice against people with different skin pigmentation than your own; 2) Your adherence to those beliefs is reprehensible.

The subtext of "black people can't be racist" is that racism exhibited by black people is not reprehensible in the same way as racism exhibited by white people. (I don't think the thinking allows for anything more complicated, there are no Asians in this schema.) The message is not Black people can't be institutionally racist, but black people can't be criticized when they express racial bigotry.

When it looks like it fell out of the back end of a bull, and it smells like it fell out of the back end of a bull, and it sounded it fell out of the back end of a bull when it hit the ground, it's probably not a duck.

Don't a stawman me I have already explained the point of this thread. You know nothing of my life. Not all black people agree with you that they are discriminated against every single day. Especially those that are educated and have made a life for themselves.

You are using extreme words like 'cannot', 'every'. Yet you contradict this by saying there are in fact racist black people (under your definition).

We also disagree how power works, or at least I disagree with the model of power and privilege used in here and by Intersectionality.

Races can have have issues over their own skin colour an not all of these issues are a direct result white European intervention. Skin whitening is a issue for some in Asian culture (including central Asia) particularity and these attitudes do need to be addressed. Especially as these chemicals are not good.

The US has social issues, but I disagree with many social justice proponents on approach, solutions, and often what the actual problem is. You are talking about institutional bias, something that ordinary people can do little about. Well they can protest, but some of these groups idea of solidarity isn't exactly universal.

You are showing a study that is clearly about individual prejudice under your definition, not institutional power. Child studies are exactly that. You can't know for certain they will grow up with these views. They aren't showing them a picture of a real child either, just toys and illustrations. It would be an idea to expand this study across multiple age groups in different areas and demographics and put more control options. Also it doesn't explain why, there is is not causal link being made, if that is top down or bottom up. Whether it is a societal motor or something more primitive. for instance. Behaviorists would be better predisposed to conduct these studies than sociologists alone.

Btw I didn't find lnks to the most recent version of the doll tests. I don't know how representative that video is of those studies or how they were set up.

Of course these children do need to be educated on different races an their own.

The problem is sociologist academics are either not following how how social justice proponents are using their work or they are knowingly in cahoots. These groups are basically putting most of of the onus on white people to acknowledge their internal prejudice, rather how we can all moderate prejudices. Simply transferring this privilege that all white people have to black isn't goign to solve anything.

Studies can pose some interesting results. This one for instance:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/tru ... prise-you/

This is clearly from a position of power.

The recent seeds of decent, whist something good may eventually come out of it, right now it has worsened race relations and extremists are having a field day. It seem hysteria is driving it, and we could be looking at the wrong problems.

You have to admit that police officers do still face a disproportional threat from minority criminals, 45% of police deaths. This includes black officers. Their job isn't to solve all the social ills, but to enforce the law. Yes a community based approach is a good idea.

I'm a big proponent of Peelian principles/and policy by consent. I would like to see less use of force, better recruitment and training. Especially de-escalation training which is sorely lacking.

There are clear cut cases like a police office executing a fleeing person in the back, however other examples cited haven't all been that good in fact some are indefensible. The implication is there police officers don't face justice, however they are facing justice where there is evidence. There are also lot of unsolved murder within the communities concerned. People in those communities also have a right to not have to deal with the violent criminals that ruin it for everyone.

The Met has just issued camera for thousand of police officers:
https://news.google.com/news/story?ncl= ... 8QqgIIKzAA

A extensive trial found that that is reduced complaints against the police, and also lead to more no contest convictions.

I think this is something that can help.

This is such a bogus statistic-irrelevant to the argument you are suggesting it is compelling evidence for, that it calls into question the motive for deploying it.

In the context it suggests some kind of racist agenda.

Let's say 55% of police deaths are caused by whites, does that mean police should treat all whites as suspects? Have crisis meetings to discuss the problems in the white community that lead to this violence?

It's not the right data for the argument you are making.

I'm not arguing for that though.

People are arguing that blacks being disproportionately targeted and this is down to racism. However a disproportionate amount of violent crime comes from these communities. This is backed up by crime statistics.

What the causes and the solution is debatable. However in the mean time there still needs to be law and order, as do that innocent people living in those communities.

Yes we need to stop crimilsatation for petty things, but the police don't make the law, they enforce it. They should be held to account like anyone.

What I'm saying the figure of police shootings arguably isn't that disproportionate to the crime problem in those areas. It is disproportionate overall IMO and needs to be reduced, but as a general policy it is arguably in proportion just it is the wrong policy.

The original argument made was the shootings were disproportionate, now it is that police officers don't face justice. However I'm not sure that is universally true. I'm sure some places are worse than others. However it is also true is there are lot unsolved crimes, and those victims have not faced justice either. Those homicides are way higher than police shootings, not just in the black community but across the aboard.

So my opinion is we should continue to improve civil right and quality of life for all. I think the focus now is not quite right or proportional, and the media is not helping. So so understandably understandably there is resentment.

I also I don't that Movement for Black Lives (the umbrella organisation) demand are at all realistic or a good solution. I don't think all the protester coming from this politics. Ordinary folk just want change foe the better.

I argued a previous thread, that when you focus on one deprived community and not another, this causes further issues. So any approach has to be synchronized. It doesn't matter if is a minority are or a majority area, if it is in need of socio-economic development.

This thread is not about police shootings.

It seems that you are doing your best to prove the sociologists right, traditions of the English language be damned.

Yeah--but, no.
http://racisminamerica.org/truth-fbi-cr ... tics-race/

If you want to split this off that is ok by me. Good idea. I think it would be interesting to talk about Institutional Racism in the context of Policing. Note: we are talking about policing, which is not responsible for all structural oppression. I made that clear. Police are not the judiciary or lawmakers. They aren't state or county government, they can't solve all societal ills. There is also a question of whether black leadership changes anything. There is more black leadership in place like Chicago (Obama cut his teeth here as you know), where the is a high number of homicides. There are black police officer/chefs in places like Milwaukee who thoroughly disagree with the protesters, to great extent than me. Also the have been protest where people were calling from police officer to be killed. So hysteria can lead to bad thing too, unless the anger is challenged positively.