What if some Trump devotees start a civil war?

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So was it illegal for America to secede from the British empire? Was it illegal for Kosovo to secede from Serbia?

As for Mexicans(definitely not Cubans or Puerto Ricans or Dominican so don't use the term Latino here) in the southwest, that's part of the reason why we to have a border and enforce immigration law. This is an issue with foreign nationals not a race of people.

What's the point.

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Probably face an economic and society collapse before we see a civil war. Civil war will be the after math as regions try to claim leadership of the recovering us. Watch Jericho or last ship. Housing bubble was but a small sample of what to come. But we ignore it and keep spending, keep creating drama with other nations, keep ignoring our Homeless and starving, letting the rich rob our nation. All signs point to a collapse. Might be 10'years maybe less maybe more. Our empire like all others will fall.

Tibet belongs to china.
Taiwan needs to lay down arms and stop their illegal secession attempt against china.

^sarcasim

Technically, yes, the American Revolution was illegal. But the reason for the revolution was far different from that of the Confederacy's break with the Union. Colonial America had existed in such a state of independence already, that British taxation (which had not been levied in the colonies before) and it's enforcement might as well have been the actions of a foreign power. White southerners during the Civil War could hardly be said to be in the same boat, and even less so in America today. In Kosovo, you had Serbia threatening the very lives of ethnic minorities in their ethnic cleansing activities, which no American today can say could seriously say could apply to them.

I really don't see Trump devotees forming an organized armed group large enough to successfully start a civil war, not saying they wouldn't try....the way some of them talk I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted a violent uprising should Trump lose. But I think it would likely fail pretty hard they might succeed in creating some chaos, but I imagine that would be about it.

Also for a civil war you need two opposing sides in one country....I don't think most people would want to partake in a civil war.

The fundamentals are against Trump and his supporters. His supporters are largely older, not exactly a group fit to fight. Some of their main opponents, most people of color, skew young, make up a larger part of our military forces than their percentage of the national population would suggest, they are becoming increasingly politically active and organized, and their percentage of the population is growing steadily. This is in contrast to most other western countries, as a much greater percentage of our population is people of color.

They are going to lose in the long run, it's just are they going to try to force the issue now or will they simply let things run their course?

That's a pretty good point, but there are people who are ready to have a civil war. Someone on the news mentioned hearing, "Me and my boys kind of like the idea of having all them racists in one place." So, we have groups of angry armed people on both sides and it won't be pretty if anyone wants to take it to the streets.

Also, if the police come upon an armed standoff between old white folks and young folks of a mix of races, who will they side with? I don't think they'll care who started it, and will fire on the young men. That part of the system doesn't seem rigged against rich old white men.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watc ... 1379523994

Thank you, Lawrence.

Such arrogence, such misunderstanding of what the Trump phenomenon is all about. It mostly not about Trump but what he symbolizes, it is about people reaching thier breaking point post great recession where many if not most of the new jobs are temporary or consultant, it is about people tired of bieng languange policed, and yes it is about white male racist and sexists seeing the writing on wall or just people whose way of life is becoming history.

But Lawrence is right in that most Trump supporters will want go about normal life because they are normal or they at the end of the day do not want take on the military. This is true most everywhere. Most people in Syria are not combatants or are combatants because they were forced to be. But that might not matter, you really do not need that many people to cause major disruption.

This video is disturbing but consistent with what I have seen. The in people become the outsiders sometime at times clandestinely, sometimes by force, this is known as history. But this situation where the new in group seems to revel in mocking and belittling consistantly and publicly the people they are replacing seems unique. Lawrence still does not get the role people like him had in creating the American nightmare known as the Trump phenomenon. These middle Americans or flyover people or rednecks or whatever you want to call them with thier quaint flag and NASCAR decals and uncool clothes from Walmart helped build the foundation these "progressives" are building upon and are enjoying and abusing.

They were better-off under Clinton than Bush, and under Obama than second Bush. They vote on appearance just as much as people who live in cities. I don't know how to explain their anger other than neophobia. I grew up in rural Texas, so I'm not speaking out of ignorance. Naturally, I had a hard time. I'm a smart socially-awkward guy who didn't like football. I was also on the receiving end of what the Mexican and Black kids got, to a lesser extent, except I didn't have any backup. That's the way of life they want to defend? You want me to respect it?

Editorial note: my experience is not a strawman.

They were not better off under Obama. Every recession or depression ends and every recession/depression leaves a group too far behind to catch up. The Great Recession was really a depression so it left more people behind, the flyovers were one of several groups left behind.

I grew in up what is now known an uber blue state, but back then it was 80 percent Republican a place where anti war protests were unheard of and American Flags and "America Love Or Leave It" decales ruled the day. Archie Bunker was a comedic exaggeration of my neighbors but there was more than a grain of truth in the characterization. When Southern Rock emerged Long Island was its biggest northern outpost with its attended long hair, bandannas, and Confederate Flag Decals. I had my share of bullying bieng an undiagnosed autistic. Kids are vicous if left to thier own devices everywhere. As far as the adults there were racists and nasty people and the language commonly used would be viewed as more then cringeworthy today. But they worked thier asses off to give thier kids a better life and would give the shirt off thier back to help a neighbor in trouble.

Neophobia partly true but they are becoming history and reminded of it daily as they are mocked on the intenet and on mainstream media every damm day.

Amen.

Just yesterday, a local girl offered a free trial karate lesson to my daughter, who admittedly wasn't that interested. The girl's father had tried to persuade my daughter with the argument that she'll have to learn karate to fight the bad guys when Hilary Clinton takes away all the guns . I just shook my head and mouthed the word, "no," to my daughter. This other dad isn't just an odd nutcase around here. We unfortunately have an active Trump fan club around here, too.

I don't think this election will end peacefully. I don't want to think of the consequences of a Trump victory. If Hillary wins, Trump will not accept it. I believe there is a strong central core of his supporters that are not willing to give up on him. I could see him calling for unrest and getting it. This could lead to a vote of succession for Texas and possibly other states. I kinda hope it goes this way. The U.S. is unworkable as it is. The factions are too opposed and unable to compromise. I think a huge issue for southerners is the election of Obama, which I think they took as a sign of the degradation of America.
Anyway, if you guys can't sort it out civilly, it could really get ugly, especially between black and white people in the South. I think a lot of people would migrate to Canada and the borders could change not only within America, but on the north as well.

It would be cool if we could have New York. A Canadian New York City would be awesome.

And to think, New York had such status before it was defiled by the orangutan and fundamentalists like Giuliani...