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04 Jan 2017, 6:20 pm

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http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/who-benefits-from-obamacare-hint-it-isnt-you/


I agree with you, it is a terrible system, but it has allowed millions of people to get healthcare.

We should have a single payer system.


How about first we get a handle on pricing of services and bring them down to earth, THEN go from there.
Expensive is still expensive whether it's singer payer or not.
No one ever wants to question why medical services cost so goddamn much, they just want it for free.


If there is a single payer system then the prices will have to come down.

I have question the cost a lot.



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04 Jan 2017, 6:56 pm

Raptor wrote:
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http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/who-benefits-from-obamacare-hint-it-isnt-you/


I agree with you, it is a terrible system, but it has allowed millions of people to get healthcare.

We should have a single payer system.


How about first we get a handle on pricing of services and bring them down to earth, THEN go from there.
Expensive is still expensive whether it's singer payer or not.
No one ever wants to question why medical services cost so goddamn much, they just want it for free.

sanders proposed allowing negotiations with drug companies on price, which could have saved billions. single payer would allow HUGE (how's that for a trump word?) bargaining power toward all providers. no people dying waiting for costs to come down. single payer first. then use the big stick to negotiate.



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04 Jan 2017, 7:00 pm

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let's not argue exact figures. the fact is lots of people will die without the ACA.

No, actually numbers and details ARE important.

let me get this straight. it's more important to you to know whether it's 20k or 40k than to prevent lots of people from dying. at any rate, it doesn't matter who you read, it's more than 9/11.

Yeah, I'm sure no one has ever resorted to false statistics to prove their point.
The devil is in the details.

can you posit any realistic scenario where 20 million losing health insurance won't lead to thousands of deaths?



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04 Jan 2017, 7:09 pm

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More idiot celebrities displaying Trump Derangement Syndrome and demanding that people listen to them:

https://vimeo.com/197790310

(Is there a way to embed Vimeo videos here?)

If Trump supporters had wanted to design an ad to illustrate the smug elitism of the Hollywood-Industrial Complex, they wouldn't have been able to come up with anything better than this.

I think I'm coming down with Celebrity Derangement Syndrome. :mrgreen:


Have you sought help?

Have you?

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Is this why Drump can not get any real celebrities to play at his inauguration?

With so many celebrities coming out as crybabies the past few months who'd want them at thier inauguration?


So I have noticed that a lot of military wantabes adopt an overly hostile, paramilitary attitude (firearms and hummers).

Military wannabe? A few minutes ago I was a terrorist but now a military wannabe? Make up your mind.
No Hummer, just a used 4Runner.
I do have a lot of gunz tho...

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I always wonder, if they like it so much, why don't they join?

Done served in the armed forces already but I don't expect you to believe it. Hell, I don't even care one way or the other if you do. :shrug:

PS: Trolling me isnt quite turning out the way you'd envisioned, is it?
:P


I thought trolling was done from a boat.

I'm curious is all. What branch? What MOS?


USAF aircraft maintenance

Trolling is more commonly the practice of sowing discord and/or wreaking emotional havoc with the weak on message boards. :twisted:


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04 Jan 2017, 7:25 pm

Raptor wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Raptor wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Raptor wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Darmok wrote:
More idiot celebrities displaying Trump Derangement Syndrome and demanding that people listen to them:

https://vimeo.com/197790310

(Is there a way to embed Vimeo videos here?)

If Trump supporters had wanted to design an ad to illustrate the smug elitism of the Hollywood-Industrial Complex, they wouldn't have been able to come up with anything better than this.

I think I'm coming down with Celebrity Derangement Syndrome. :mrgreen:


Have you sought help?

Have you?

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Is this why Drump can not get any real celebrities to play at his inauguration?

With so many celebrities coming out as crybabies the past few months who'd want them at thier inauguration?


So I have noticed that a lot of military wantabes adopt an overly hostile, paramilitary attitude (firearms and hummers).

Military wannabe? A few minutes ago I was a terrorist but now a military wannabe? Make up your mind.
No Hummer, just a used 4Runner.
I do have a lot of gunz tho...

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I always wonder, if they like it so much, why don't they join?

Done served in the armed forces already but I don't expect you to believe it. Hell, I don't even care one way or the other if you do. :shrug:

PS: Trolling me isnt quite turning out the way you'd envisioned, is it?
:P


I thought trolling was done from a boat.

I'm curious is all. What branch? What MOS?


USAF aircraft maintenance

Trolling is more commonly the practice of sowing discord and/or wreaking emotional havoc with the weak on message boards. :twisted:


I am not trying to sow discord. Mostly I am curious, you can believe what you want, but if you are going to express it be prepared to back it up.

I was 11B10, straight leg infantry in B company of the 5/502 in Berlin and A company of the 2/187 Ft. Campbell KY.



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04 Jan 2017, 7:30 pm

feral botanist wrote:
Raptor wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Raptor wrote:
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/who-benefits-from-obamacare-hint-it-isnt-you/


I agree with you, it is a terrible system, but it has allowed millions of people to get healthcare.

We should have a single payer system.


How about first we get a handle on pricing of services and bring them down to earth, THEN go from there.
Expensive is still expensive whether it's singer payer or not.
No one ever wants to question why medical services cost so goddamn much, they just want it for free.


If there is a single payer system then the prices will have to come down.

I have question the cost a lot.


I'd rather do the cost control thing and NOT have singer payer but use private insurance. Single payer puts the government in our personal business too much.
The un-insured poor will still get theirs at taxpayer expense.

As a hardhearted, greedy, and evil conservative, I don't condone government regulating prices but I think that in this case the medical industry has brought whatever cost regulatory f*****g they get upon themselves. My way would have every service, procedure, and med over a certain dollar amount to be accounted for item by item to justify the costs down to the dime. Healthcare insurance would get its just f*****g, too. It will drive some companies out of business but oh well.

You can try but it won't get any more generous than that from me.


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04 Jan 2017, 7:42 pm

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I'd rather do the cost control thing and NOT have singer payer but use private insurance. Single payer puts the government in our personal business too much.
The un-insured poor will still get theirs at taxpayer expense.

As a hardhearted, greedy, and evil conservative, I don't condone government regulating prices but I think that in this case the medical industry has brought whatever cost regulatory f*****g they get upon themselves. My way would have every service, procedure, and med over a certain dollar amount to be accounted for item by item to justify the costs down to the dime. Healthcare insurance would get its just f*****g, too. It will drive some companies out of business but oh well.

You can try but it won't get any more generous than that from me.


Not sure I understand what you are suggesting.

"government in our personal business too much" I think it is too late to avoid this. If you have a cell phone or use a computer, they already have a pretty good idea of everything you do.



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04 Jan 2017, 7:50 pm

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Trolling is more commonly the practice of sowing discord and/or wreaking emotional havoc with the weak on message boards. :twisted:


I am not trying to sow discord. Mostly I am curious, you can believe what you want, but if you are going to express it be prepared to back it up.
I would not care one iota if you were a troll. I get labeled a troll every few months or so for the past 5 years and it only amuses me, given my accusers. IMHO Trolls add a much needed spice to forums like this. We used to have a regular forum troll here but I thnk his bridge collapsed on him.

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I was 11B10, straight leg infantry in B company of the 5/502 in Berlin and A company of the 2/187 Ft. Campbell KY.
Cold War era?


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04 Jan 2017, 7:55 pm

It's a shame that crumbling infrastructure cost us that troll.It was a lively one.
I think we should have troll Tuesday's.It's also discrimination if you don't have at least two trolls on a forum.


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Raptor wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
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Trolling is more commonly the practice of sowing discord and/or wreaking emotional havoc with the weak on message boards. :twisted:


I am not trying to sow discord. Mostly I am curious, you can believe what you want, but if you are going to express it be prepared to back it up.
I would not care one iota if you were a troll. I get labeled a troll every few months or so for the past 5 years and it only amuses me, given my accusers. IMHO Trolls add a much needed spice to forums like this. We used to have a regular forum troll here but I thnk his bridge collapsed on him.

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I was 11B10, straight leg infantry in B company of the 5/502 in Berlin and A company of the 2/187 Ft. Campbell KY.
Cold War era?


Just after the wall fell.



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04 Jan 2017, 8:00 pm

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I'd rather do the cost control thing and NOT have singer payer but use private insurance. Single payer puts the government in our personal business too much.
The un-insured poor will still get theirs at taxpayer expense.

As a hardhearted, greedy, and evil conservative, I don't condone government regulating prices but I think that in this case the medical industry has brought whatever cost regulatory f*****g they get upon themselves. My way would have every service, procedure, and med over a certain dollar amount to be accounted for item by item to justify the costs down to the dime. Healthcare insurance would get its just f*****g, too. It will drive some companies out of business but oh well.

You can try but it won't get any more generous than that from me.


Not sure I understand what you are suggesting.

I'm to lazy to do the amount of typing it would take to get you to understand, especially when you're probably determined not to understand.

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"government in our personal business too much" I think it is too late to avoid this. If you have a cell phone or use a computer, they already have a pretty good idea of everything you do.

They might know some of my business but I doubt they have an agent assigned to watch everyone, even an aspie with an IRA terrorist for an avatar. Knowing some (or most) of my business and running my life are two entirely different things.


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04 Jan 2017, 8:10 pm

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I'd rather do the cost control thing and NOT have singer payer but use private insurance. Single payer puts the government in our personal business too much.
The un-insured poor will still get theirs at taxpayer expense.

As a hardhearted, greedy, and evil conservative, I don't condone government regulating prices but I think that in this case the medical industry has brought whatever cost regulatory f*****g they get upon themselves. My way would have every service, procedure, and med over a certain dollar amount to be accounted for item by item to justify the costs down to the dime. Healthcare insurance would get its just f*****g, too. It will drive some companies out of business but oh well.

You can try but it won't get any more generous than that from me.


Not sure I understand what you are suggesting.

I'm to lazy to do the amount of typing it would take to get you to understand, especially when you're probably determined not to understand.

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"government in our personal business too much" I think it is too late to avoid this. If you have a cell phone or use a computer, they already have a pretty good idea of everything you do.

They might know some of my business but I doubt they have an agent assigned to watch everyone, even an aspie with an IRA terrorist for an avatar. Knowing some (or most) of my business and running my life are two entirely different things.


I am not determined to do anything other than gain knowledge. I enjoy discussing ideas with someone even if I dont agree with them. Your choice.

Currently you have a insurance company running your life, is that better of worse than the government?

They may not have an agent watching you, but they are recording everything and it can be reviewed later if they need to know anything about you.



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04 Jan 2017, 8:51 pm

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I am not determined to do anything other than gain knowledge. I enjoy discussing ideas with someone even if I dont agree with them. Your choice.

Previously discussed thoroughly enough.

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Currently you have a insurance company running your life, is that better of worse than the government?

It's employer provided and something I've rarely needed so far. I can always change insurance companies and plans, I can't very well change governments.


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They may not have an agent watching you, but they are recording everything and it can be reviewed later if they need to know anything about you.


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It's a shame that crumbling infrastructure cost us that troll.It was a lively one.
I think we should have troll Tuesday's.It's also discrimination if you don't have at least two trolls on a forum.

Well, The Troll did be-knight me vice troll back then...


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04 Jan 2017, 9:06 pm

Raptor wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
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feral botanist wrote:
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http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/who-benefits-from-obamacare-hint-it-isnt-you/


I agree with you, it is a terrible system, but it has allowed millions of people to get healthcare.

We should have a single payer system.


How about first we get a handle on pricing of services and bring them down to earth, THEN go from there.
Expensive is still expensive whether it's singer payer or not.
No one ever wants to question why medical services cost so goddamn much, they just want it for free.


If there is a single payer system then the prices will have to come down.

I have question the cost a lot.


I'd rather do the cost control thing and NOT have singer payer but use private insurance. Single payer puts the government in our personal business too much.
The un-insured poor will still get theirs at taxpayer expense.

As a hardhearted, greedy, and evil conservative, I don't condone government regulating prices but I think that in this case the medical industry has brought whatever cost regulatory f*****g they get upon themselves. My way would have every service, procedure, and med over a certain dollar amount to be accounted for item by item to justify the costs down to the dime. Healthcare insurance would get its just f*****g, too. It will drive some companies out of business but oh well.

You can try but it won't get any more generous than that from me.


government control of health care is what millions of seniors have. it's wildly popular. it's the industry standard. it's also efficient. medicare overhead is just 2%, while private insurance overhead averages 12%. just switching to medicare for all would save tons in administrative costs. the purpose of the government is to promote the general welfare, the purpose of an insurance company is to make money. which of those sounds more likely to make sure you get good care?



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04 Jan 2017, 9:06 pm

...Hm , I am reminded of the person (posted about here) who boasted about r efusing to hhelp an auto-broken-down Sanders supporter - and defended it as his religious freedom !

Man refuses to help Trump supporter stuck in snow

A man boasted on Facebook after leaving a female motorist stuck in the snow because he deemed her a supporter of Donald Trump.

Troy Brown, a Bernie Sanders supporter, says he was going to stop to help the woman but then saw her Trump bumper sticker. Instead of helping her, he just drove past. And took pictures.

He posted the image of the car stuck in the snow with the caption, “I was going to help her but she has a #Trump sticker on her car. #CallYoPresident.”

Brown later went on to post a video about what happened.

http://thegrio.com/2016/12/27/man-refus ... k-in-snow/[/quote]


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