"It's not a Muslim ban! It's working out very nicely!"

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What is being argued when you ask why didn't he ban Saudi Arabia? Is the temporary travel ban to extreme or doesn't go far enough? Very confusing argument. Reacting to everything as if it is the end of the world is why I don't take any of it seriously, nobody learned the story about the boy who cried wolf apparently.

strong majority of people support Trump's policy

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ist_havens

"majorities" have been known to be wrong.

This does not surprise me. I don't know why I'm still the only one saying that the US deserves Trump.

I wish they had surveyed people's actual knowledge of existing vetting procedures and the details of the order, but people hate long difficult surveys.

A difference is that the no fly list came about after something terrible happened. This is being put into action before the next terrible thing happens.

Or you can look at it as something the bad man is doing because he's a nazi.

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we have the gov't we deserve.

Or need depending on one's pov.

If a strong majority of people including a decent portion of Democrats support this policy then what do you think the histrionics and theatrics from the bleeding heart left will have on Trump's popularity?

These polls are still being skewed by the way, Rasmussen has Trump's approval at near 60% while Qunnipiac has it in the mid 30s. Whenever there is a range like that funny business is going on, did anybody believe Hillary was actually up 12% a week before the election? Democrats have conducted themselves terribly since the election, embarrassing even.

Just when I think we might have an actual discussion for more than a few posts...

You call them histrionics and call people of a political persuasion rude names; I call them widely held legal and constitutional concerns.

Even high quality research that favors your position does not suffice? I guess that would ruin the narrative.

I'm forced to conclude it hasn't been pretty.

The majority of Germans supported Hitler (that was for you Ezra )

The problem with Trump's decree is that it is unconstitutional and immoral. Choosing who to allow into the country based on their religion is unethical and the beginning of treating people according to their faith for all kinds of things. Will businesses be able to refuse service to Muslims?

You mean like Trumpets and Trumpanzees and all that?

It's not unconstitutional, it's completely legal and there is a long history of the US enacting similar and much more extreme measures. People that are not US citizens and not on US soil are not entitled to any protection from our constitution. Dubbing it a 'Muslim ban' doesn't make it so, there are 45 Muslim majority countries and only travel from 7 is temporarily paused. 6 of those countries have civil wars raging and the other is Iran.

I fear that will be decided in the federal court, I just hope it won't end in civil war - both sides are motivated.


Ethically it's not about the refugees, it's about the States. The decree changes who America is. With Trump's changes the U.S. is going to have to change the slogan on the Statue of Liberty as it no longer stands for religious freedom.

What was that article someone posted that said a president has the right and the authority to do exactly what Trump is doing. Was that from the constitution? I'll look it up.

As far as immoral goes, isn't that determined by the motivation? If he's trying to beef up national security against the Islamic
State of Iraq and Syria that doesn't sound like an immoral act. Or he's just being mean because he's a nazi.

Oh God no; it is in times of trial that we show what we are really made of.

What does clamping down on Islamic terrorists have to do with religious freedom?