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11 Mar 2017, 10:44 pm

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I know some of you dislike SJW-style feminism but there are feminists who hate SJW-feminism just as much. I've read articles by moderate feminists who feal that SJW-feminists have distracted from more serious issues effecting women. They say SJW-feminists have actually done feminism a disservice.

My problem is mainly a lot of feminists let radicals represent them like Anita Sarkessan (butchered her name). I also have a problem with gender neutral problem becoming women's problems.



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11 Mar 2017, 10:44 pm

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Men are being asked to behave politically correct in the workplace.

This requires them to assume the feminite traits of empathy, sensitivity and social-awareness.

So, yes, men are being asked to change, and become like women.

Empathy, sensitivity, and social awareness are considered feminine traits? I thought those were just human traits.

"While the defining characteristics of femininity are not universally identical, some patterns exist: gentleness, empathy, sensitivity, caring, sweetness, compassion, tolerance, nurturance, deference, and succorance are traits that have traditionally been cited as feminine".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femininity



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11 Mar 2017, 10:50 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Men are being asked to behave politically correct in the workplace.

This requires them to assume the feminite traits of empathy, sensitivity and social-awareness.

So, yes, men are being asked to change, and become like women.
Empathy, sensitivity, and social awareness are considered feminine traits? I thought those were just human traits.
"While the defining characteristics of femininity are not universally identical, some patterns exist: gentleness, empathy, sensitivity, caring, sweetness, compassion, tolerance, nurturance, deference, and succorance are traits that have traditionally been cited as feminine".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femininity
I guess that's a cultural thing. I've met both men and women who were incapable of empathy. In both cases they were not aware that they were incapable of empathy.


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11 Mar 2017, 11:06 pm

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i recall the "gender wars" being especially nasty in 2014, central figures of that era having been given the boot, or disappeared of their own volition.


I don't recall a "gender war", though I rarely stray beyond the confines of PPR when I visit WP and therefore readily accept the possibility of such an event elsewhere on these boards. Debates are almost always ideological here, with a minority of input coming from the occasional rogue elements (who tend to have a low survival rate).

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Might they largely be a strawperson that anti-feminists use to excuse their misogynistic whining?


If anyone's casting men of straw here, it's you.

Feminism is an ideology, not a sex. Feminism has almost as many variants as it has practitioners. If your response to those who object to such practitioners whose particular brand of feminism is appalling and harmful is to label them 'whining misogynists', you're granting your tacit support to said harmful feminists.

Rabid ideologues constitute a significant percentage of "third wave" feminists and make full use of the protection offered to them by the entire collective in precisely this manner.

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I know some of you dislike SJW-style feminism but there are feminists who hate SJW-feminism just as much. I've read articles by moderate feminists who feal that SJW-feminists have distracted from more serious issues effecting women. They say SJW-feminists have actually done feminism a disservice.


Indeed there are, and they seem to be getting more effective at finding their voices (or perhaps some of the more excessive ones are reforming), though I doubt it's sufficient to stop the rot. The overarching SJW ideology that's infested feminism has preyed on the vulnerabilities inherent to such a large-scale, amorphous movement like a parasite, as is its wont.

What I find stunning is how blind so many seemingly well-intentioned people have been to the ham-fisted social engineering that's backfiring so spectacularly across the West. So much so that they're incapable of discerning the causes of the rise of anti-Progressive, anti-establishment sentiment that's putting the likes of Trump in office.

Le Pen will likely be the cause of the next mass triggering. I suggest everyone stocks up on the popcorn.



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12 Mar 2017, 1:05 am

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I remember dongle-gate from a few years ago. A couple of guys were making crude jokes and a woman sitting in front of them snapped their picture and posted their misdeed on her twitter feed. One of the guys got fired because of it. She said they were making the place the place hostile for women by making those jokes. I actually looked at her twitter feed and found a sex-joke posted by a friend which she didn't seem to mind.

I don't know if its the AS talking, but I don't think anyone should get fired for telling the wrong joke.

It's more of a comedy theory thing. Patton Oswalt wrote a great piece about his evolving theory of comedy, here. It convinced me that there are indeed different kinds of jokes. People have justification for responding differently to different 'sex jokes.'
http://www.pattonoswalt.com/index.cfm?id=167&page=spew


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12 Mar 2017, 1:44 am

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What I find stunning is how blind so many seemingly well-intentioned people have been to the ham-fisted social engineering that's backfiring so spectacularly across the West. So much so that they're incapable of discerning the causes of the rise of anti-Progressive, anti-establishment sentiment that's putting the likes of Trump in office.
It surprised me that when Trump won, some of the anti-SJWs thought they had won. They thought Trump's victory would be the end of SJW. Nothing could be further from the truth.

When Trump won I was filled with dread not because I feared Trump himself but because I knew Trump's victory would make the SJWs ten times as strong.

What better way to make the common folk agree with SJWs then by making the SJWs enemy a guy that half of the common folk hate.

Trump will probably screw up and when he does it will hurt conservatism as a whole. If Hillary had won then Hillary would probably screw something up and when she did it would have hurt liberalism as a whole.

A president has a much higher chance of discrediting their own party then someone who lost the election.

The SJWs will oppose Trump for as long as he serves but if Trump is shot it will be a disaster for the SJWs since Trump would have a higher approval rating while dead then he could while alive. Trump would make an effective martyr. It's very difficult to fight a good martyr.


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12 Mar 2017, 2:16 am

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Might they largely be a strawperson that anti-feminists use to excuse their misogynistic whining?


*sigh*

I have real people that I've known for years on my Facebook right now who view the world through the prism of intersectional feminism and regularly lecture me about how it's impossible to be racist against white people, what forms of entertainment are "problematic" or "rapey", the latest horrific act of cultural appropriation and/or microaggression, I truly wish it were a fake phenomenon. You don't do yourself any favors pretending as if these people don't exist or aren't a loud and influential presence, you just make it look like you aren't paying attention or are ideologically blinkered.


It's an academic thing, outside the college campuses and the internet it might not be too evident but I think most people have become aware of the ridiculousness of 'safe spaces' and 'microagressions' and all that. Intersectional feminism is basically the basis of SJW ideology which they by all means intend to force on everybody, they're the ones who attack popular culture over the stupidest things. No longer does the patriarchy just oppress women, it's responsible for all the bad on the planet no matter what and have narrowed it to just being a hate group against straight white men. I don't think Marxist professors should be allowed to work, no one would tolerate a Nazi teaching their kids so how are literal Marxists okay?

I honestly don't hear anything else about feminism nowadays besides from self identified ones who want to say that these other people don't represent them or feminism and that these people who make them look bad essentially don't exist. Maybe feminism doesn't actually represent you? Maybe you're not being honest with your views? It's not a bunch of old lesbians from 60/70s, this is the current generation. Like I said, think Tumblr and the 37 genders.

Dox actually has friends who lecture him about this stuff, but how about the rest of you? Do you encounter them without seeking them out specifically? I may have a chance to go looking in a target rich environment quite soon, and I'll report back with what I find.

Jacoby, fascists do teach your children. You have had teachers, right?

The rest reads like a string of buzzwords, so that you don't get the idea that anything happened, other than there being no intelligent reply to whatever extreme to which you would actually, regrettably go.


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12 Mar 2017, 2:20 am

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I thought tumblr made it to 60 genders? :lol:

I'll go ahead and reiterate my assertion that gender is a multi-dimensional, continuous phenomenon. People can make it discrete however they find convenient. Even if they only find it a convenient stick.


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12 Mar 2017, 2:41 am

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That's like complaining about their not being a National Caucasian day. Appreciation is given to women because we are underappreciated and mistreated by men in the first place. These days it's not so bad, you can just demand the whole world supports your desire to not pick a gender due to how unfair life is.

That actually sounds like the best argument for having thirty-eleven hundred genders. How many sexes? Is it the same number as genders, or different?


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12 Mar 2017, 2:47 am

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Yesterday (as of the time of the posting of this thread) it was the international women's day. A step forward for feminism, a step backwards for equality.

Men are being asked to behave politically correct in the workplace.

This requires them to assume the feminite traits of empathy, sensitivity and social-awareness.

So, yes, men are being asked to change, and become like women.

That is pretty sexist stuff that you said. Also, a bit weird in the context of an autism forum.

From the beginning of the same wiki:
Femininity is socially constructed, but made up of both socially-defined and biologically-created factors.[1][2][3] This makes it distinct from the definition of the biological female sex,[4][5] as both males and females can exhibit feminine traits.


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12 Mar 2017, 3:07 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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Yesterday (as of the time of the posting of this thread) it was the international women's day. A step forward for feminism, a step backwards for equality.

Men are being asked to behave politically correct in the workplace.

This requires them to assume the feminite traits of empathy, sensitivity and social-awareness.

So, yes, men are being asked to change, and become like women.

That is pretty sexist stuff that you said. Also, a bit weird in the context of an autism forum.

From the beginning of the same wiki:
Femininity is socially constructed, but made up of both socially-defined and biologically-created factors.[1][2][3] This makes it distinct from the definition of the biological female sex,[4][5] as both males and females can exhibit feminine traits.

In the real world, men exhibit masculine behavior.

That's why feminism movements exist.

It's these behaviors that feminists seek to "correct".

They seek to change the male, so he doesn't exhibit those behaviors anymore.



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12 Mar 2017, 3:09 am

In a world of pure imagination.


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12 Mar 2017, 3:24 am

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In a world of pure imagination.

In New York, they put this pleading on the subway ...

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https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyre ... .html?_r=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manspreading



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12 Mar 2017, 3:29 am

While I'll agree that men are being silenced there is a danger that if men talk to much of their victimhood they'll become indistinguishable from the feminists.

Take for example MGTOW. It's basically a gender reversed version of SJW-feminism. Both SJW-feminists and MGTOWs are terrified of the opposite gender.

You don't win a battle of cultures by turning into the exact same culture.


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12 Mar 2017, 3:37 am

Being asked to stop shouting equals being silenced?

IT'S A CROWDED SUBWAY, and let's not mince words about the territorial signals sent by any mammal who takes up as much space as possible.


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12 Mar 2017, 3:44 am

No one is shouting.

I agree that manspreading is rude and it should be taboo. Is there also a sign saying that women giving a seat to their bags is rude and taboo?

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Perhaps she could put her bags under her seat.

I've heard men make the argument that they have to spread their legs so their balls don't get crushed. This is BS. I possess a pair of balls and yet when I sit with my legs straight they don't get crushed.

I've heard women say they sit cross-legged to take up less space and that men should do the same. That won't work for men because when men sit cross legged it causes them to take up more space, not less.


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