GnosticBishop wrote:
Do you, a free person, see Muslim females as slaves?
In the more right wing of Islam, females are what I would call slaves. I am prompted to think in that term because if I were a Muslim man living under Sharia, I can buy myself a few child brides. There is also little stopping me from doing the same, --- where Muslims live under Sharia law, --- in new adopted countries in the free world. Slavery returns to the West.
Fraternité, if I may remind the English speakers, means a fiduciary relationship to all other people. Slave is appropriate here. Fraternité and honesty also forces that I must look at Muslim females as slaves.
Do I, as a free man, have any responsibility to free these Muslim women, who inadvertently help propagate slavery by their lack of revolt against it?
The West also helps propagate slavery by allowing it into the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY5bv-oxLEIf I, as a free man hold a responsibility, as a free person, do you?
How much tolerance should tolerant nations give to a huge slave trading religion and government system?
Regards
DL
Yes, for the Muslim women living under the real Sharia like KSA and Afghanistan, they are slaves even against their will.
But here the thing:
Most Muslims live in denial, and most Muslims living in non-Sharia countries (hint: most muslim-dominated countries) believe in an
embellished version of Islam. In particular most Muslim women believe in a very very
embellished version of Islam while they they ignore or turn a blind eye on the verses that clearly diminish their status, maybe they only read embellished narratives and never read the Qur'an fully. The Arabic dialect of Qur'an is an old tribe-specific, and it's not exactly the same as the Classic Arabic, it's somehow like Old English to modern English - I would understand it better if I read its English or French translation than in its original language.
For example, the other day I was in an outing with classmates, and one of my christian classmates mentioned the polygamy in Islam, a muslim classmate, who is a Muslim young woman (not veiled and wears short skirts too which isn't uncommon here) answered by repeating a popular verse's interpretation how no ordinary man's love can be perfectly equal between two women, therefore he's not deemed for marrying more than one. In other term, she believes that Allah allows only monogamy for non-prophet men.
This is an extremely popular narrative I've heard from moderate and even conservative Muslim women who reject, despise and even mock the idea of polygamy hence why the concept is not popular in many muslim places except in the Arabia. (Less than 1% of Muslims in the world practice Polygamy, according to stats, at least it's the figure for the registered marriages)
In fact, women in these countries, like in Christian countries, are more likely to be more religious than men; and for some reason less likely to be agnostic/atheists (this is a world phenomena).
So no, these are not slaves, they just don't believe in the real Islam though like most Muslim men. They live on the blue pill.
This was well thought out but I cannot see how you can say they are not slaves when there is often a price tag attached to the proposals.
21 Mar 2017, 2:22 am
