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05 May 2017, 12:35 pm

In parts of the world where most humans don't eat their own kind, cannibalism is not usually considered a crime or murder if the people who ate the human flesh did not kill the victims. There have been incidents where people were forced to eat dead bodies because it was the only way not to starve to death, like the infamous Donner Party. But it is considered sick and unnatural, although many other animals will eat their own young if they're hungry and can't find anything else since they (probably) lack the ability to feel guilt or morality. It's something I never want to do ever, even in a desperate survival situation.

I once read somewhere that they should make people in war eat who they kill, because then they'd be so horrified and disgusted by it we'd have world peace. Well, if murdering people in war is perfectly acceptable, why shouldn't eating them be as well? :roll:



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05 May 2017, 12:53 pm

Animists believe that they are also consuming the person, in spirit. So, their loved ones are integrating with them and giving them strength, or they become empowered by a worthy opponent. They did not appreciate Westerners, so considered their flesh unpleasant to eat, making judgmental statements about our social values. We are lazy and eat junk food, so sour grapes. They respected the values of Asians, so said they tasted better, is how it came across to me. In the ritual context, they considered it more meaningful, to sacrifice their social betters. The would be rich, nobility, or someone kept like the fatted calf, on the best, local fare. It would not have been done as a matter of scarcity.



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05 May 2017, 4:01 pm

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In parts of the world where most humans don't eat their own kind, cannibalism is not usually considered a crime or murder if the people who ate the human flesh did not kill the victims. There have been incidents where people were forced to eat dead bodies because it was the only way not to starve to death, like the infamous Donner Party. But it is considered sick and unnatural, although many other animals will eat their own young if they're hungry and can't find anything else since they (probably) lack the ability to feel guilt or morality. It's something I never want to do ever, even in a desperate survival situation.

I once read somewhere that they should make people in war eat who they kill, because then they'd be so horrified and disgusted by it we'd have world peace. Well, if murdering people in war is perfectly acceptable, why shouldn't eating them be as well? :roll:


Unfortunately, people who start wars don't fight them, so they'd get away without being traumatized for life for having committed cannibalism.


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05 May 2017, 4:06 pm

Unless I absolutely KNEW that I was going to die if I didn't eat human flesh, I wouldn't eat human flesh.



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05 May 2017, 9:09 pm

LOL, nice topic Seaweed. :mrgreen:

I have heard that the meat below the thump of a human being is extraordinairily delicious. So, really recommended and possibly a trendy thing in fine cuisine. :mrgreen:


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05 May 2017, 10:44 pm

When the elder President Bush (father of W) was 19 he was an airman in WWII bombing Iwo Jima. He got shot down and crashed in the surrounding sea. He and his life raft were being pulled toward the Japanese occupied shore when an American sub surfaced in time to rescue him.

On Sixty Minutes Morely safer asked a Japanese veteran of the battle "what would have happened to Bush if he hadnt been rescued?".

The Japanese vet replied "he would have been eaten" by the starving Japanese garrison of the island.


So our 41st president narrowly escaped becoming Tempora, or sukiyaki.



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07 May 2017, 10:56 am

You can't serve "long pig" without the proper sauce to accompany it.
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/content/ ... tomato.htm


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07 May 2017, 11:21 am

Are you a collector?



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07 May 2017, 11:44 am

/\Of plant varieties?Yes,but I have never grown that one.


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07 May 2017, 11:48 am

Then, we have a shared interest, if not shared politics. I know that site well.



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07 May 2017, 12:57 pm

Plants have been a special interest since childhood.I was fortunate to have a parent that was a gardener.
This catalog is awesome.They aren't too far from me,a couple hours drive.One day I plan on visiting and returning home with a carload of plants.
http://www.rareseeds.com
Right now the cucumber beetles are a major affliction,they are out early.Ive already had seedling gourds and squash taken out by them overnight.Im fixing to spray with a soap mixture.


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07 May 2017, 1:02 pm

I also try to keep it as natural as possible. Good for you.



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07 May 2017, 1:08 pm

Didnt know that there was a kind of tomato native to the South Pacific islands.

The tomato was introduced to Europeans by the Cuna Indians of Panama shortly after 1500 AD. Its a New World thing that Europeans never had before, like chocolate, and corn, and tobacco. All of that tomato sauce they use in Italian cuisine is all post-Christopher Columbus because tomatoes certainly arent native to Italy.



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07 May 2017, 1:19 pm

In my reading, the pepino dulce is shown in pre-Columbian art, but not the tomato.

There was no chocolate candy, as we know it, and lots of Mexican food is really Spanish.

I am finding different examples of plants, which were not widely cultivated, until Europeans took an interest, or, the medicinal or religious use of a thing changed, generationally, because of verbal traditions.

The West has discovered things, without being handheld, by some native guide, but has also collapsed, many times.

All of the same acts of savagery can be committed by white people, some of which say that cannibalism is ok, during times of hardship, or on morally-relative grounds. Cannibalism has been ok, where there is no sumptuary law or dietary prohibition, against such.



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07 May 2017, 1:35 pm

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In my reading, the pepino dulce is shown in pre-Columbian art, but not the tomato.

There was no chocolate candy, as we know it, and lots of Mexican food is really Spanish.

I am finding different examples of plants, which were not widely cultivated, until Europeans took an interest, or, the medicinal or religious use of a thing changed, generationally, because of verbal traditions.

The West has discovered things, without being handheld, by some native guide, but has also collapsed, many times.

All of the same acts of savagery can be committed by white people, some of which say that cannibalism is ok, during times of hardship, or on morally-relative grounds. Cannibalism has been ok, where there is no sumptuary law or dietary prohibition, against such.


No idea what your point is.

Most folks cant imagine the Plains Indians (Dakota, Apache, Comanche, etc) with out horses, but they only had horses after they got them from Europeans sometime after 1500 AD. Likewise the Irish didnt have potatoes, and the Italians didnt have tomatoes, until after Columbus either ( Jews didnt have potato latkas since Old Testament times either). Both Old and New Worlds were transformed by the European discovery of America. Am not taking "sides" between the old and new worlds like you seem to be doing for some perverse reason.



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07 May 2017, 1:43 pm

People do take sides, but ownership of good things and bad is mainly honorary.