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21 May 2017, 4:09 pm

what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.



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21 May 2017, 4:18 pm

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what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


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21 May 2017, 4:29 pm

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JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


I remember Herbert Wells Time Machine. What a terrific depiction of abandoned world! Do you read it ?
I read it when i was 8 years old . It impressed me very much. I highly recommend it. Beautifull.



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21 May 2017, 4:32 pm

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Foreign countries are now making the innovations.


That is not false, however I am sure they will welcome the United States to rejoin the efforts at any time.


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21 May 2017, 4:32 pm

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Perhaps we should try refuting racist arguments instead of hurling insults. It's not too hard.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism


As a side note: I perused the article, when I came upon the phrase, negritude, which was supposedly a form of leprosy that turned skin black, and apparently was supposed to make someone mentally challenged. The cure was turning the skin white. I couldn't help but laugh at that cretinism. :lol:


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21 May 2017, 4:33 pm

JLD wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


I remember Herbert Wells Time Machine. What a terrific depiction of abandoned world! Do you read it ?
I read it when i was 8 years old . It impressed me very much. I highly recommend it. Beautifull.


No I haven't, but I might track it down. I didn't read much fiction as a kid, except for a few Michael Crichton novels and whatever was assigned in class. I never really got into reading fiction until I was in my late teens, but I read non-fiction compulsively.


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21 May 2017, 4:38 pm

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Foreign countries are now making the innovations.


That is not false, however I am sure they will welcome the United States to rejoin the efforts at any time.


Just as I seriously hope we will, too. Trump cutting the budget meant for the sciences isn't a good sign.


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DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Perhaps we should try refuting racist arguments instead of hurling insults. It's not too hard.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism


The cure was turning the skin white. I couldn't help but laugh at that cretinism. :lol:


Charming )))



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21 May 2017, 4:41 pm

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Foreign countries are now making the innovations.


That is not false, however I am sure they will welcome the United States to rejoin the efforts at any time.[/quote

Haha i dont think so...)]



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21 May 2017, 4:53 pm

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JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


But how do you know we'll be gone? I am sure human population could be greatly diminished and abandoned structures and what not would be reclaimed by nature but not so sure about all humans dying out before the planet dies. It is inevitable that someday the sun will die which will destroy this planet...and if by then there are still humans and we haven't found a new world or have adequate space travel to get there then humanity will be obliterated.

Provided there aren't humans in other parts of the universe that is...who knows.


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21 May 2017, 5:08 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


But how do you know we'll be gone? I am sure human population could be greatly diminished and abandoned structures and what not would be reclaimed by nature but not so sure about all humans dying out before the planet dies. It is inevitable that someday the sun will die which will destroy this planet...and if by then there are still humans and we haven't found a new world or have adequate space travel to get there then humanity will be obliterated.

Provided there aren't humans in other parts of the universe that is...who knows.


Evolution. Humans *may* have descendants but after 4 billion years they would almost assuredly be a different species at that point, most likely one humans of today wouldn't even recognize as kin. Also of note, complex life has only existed for ~half a billion years. For humans to survive to the natural end of the Earth would mean they existed 8x as long as our current history of complex life on this planet. Also this is assuming Earth meets a natural planetary end, it's possible the planet could be knocked out of orbit, destroyed by a foreign object, or cease to support life before that point.



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21 May 2017, 5:09 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


But how do you know we'll be gone? I am sure human population could be greatly diminished and abandoned structures and what not would be reclaimed by nature but not so sure about all humans dying out before the planet dies. It is inevitable that someday the sun will die which will destroy this planet...and if by then there are still humans and we haven't found a new world or have adequate space travel to get there then humanity will be obliterated.

Provided there aren't humans in other parts of the universe that is...who knows.


How optimistic we at the verge of WW3 btw... I think there are 1 maximum 3 years left. Mankind was unsuccessful experiment. Now is time to close it. But it should be grandious final ...as uverture to Tristan and Isolda by Richard Wagner...do you know what i mean... :D



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21 May 2017, 5:13 pm

JLD wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


But how do you know we'll be gone? I am sure human population could be greatly diminished and abandoned structures and what not would be reclaimed by nature but not so sure about all humans dying out before the planet dies. It is inevitable that someday the sun will die which will destroy this planet...and if by then there are still humans and we haven't found a new world or have adequate space travel to get there then humanity will be obliterated.

Provided there aren't humans in other parts of the universe that is...who knows.


How optimistic we at the verge of WW3 btw... I think there are 1 maximum 3 years left. Mankind was unsuccessful experiment. Now is time to close it. But it should be grandious final ...as uverture to Tristan and Isolda by Richard Wagner...do you know what i mean... :D


The same Richard Wagner that was a communist and most likely half-Jewish? If only the Nazi's had done their research they wouldn't come off as such hypocrites.



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21 May 2017, 5:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


But how do you know we'll be gone? I am sure human population could be greatly diminished and abandoned structures and what not would be reclaimed by nature but not so sure about all humans dying out before the planet dies. It is inevitable that someday the sun will die which will destroy this planet...and if by then there are still humans and we haven't found a new world or have adequate space travel to get there then humanity will be obliterated.

Provided there aren't humans in other parts of the universe that is...who knows.


There aren't humans in other parts of the universe. Unless some advanced extraterrestrial lifeform has decided to keep some of us for whatever reason they might want to have some humans around we'd have no means by which to leave, and to suggest that's occurred without any evidence is Alex Jones tier insanity. It's a nice fantasy or thought experiment, but not something that should be considered as having actually happened.

I'm not certain that collapse of this civilization will also mean the extinction of the species, but we're unlikely to ever reach this position again if it happens because we won't have the benefit of fossil fuels next time around. If we adopt other sources of energy before fossil fuels are too depleted we might make it past the hurdle that running out of them will represent, but if not expect our energy dependent civilization to collapse.

Supposing we're around until the end of the planet, whether we're a global civilization, scattered tribes or a bunch of independent nation-states, we won't be the same species we are now, just like we're not the same species as Homo erectus. Selective pressures and genetic drift ensure that no species remains exactly the same forever.

And if we manage to make it off this rock we likely will reach a point where we have our own new place (or places) and won't need to keep a bedroom in mom's increasingly dilapidated, over-exploited home.


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21 May 2017, 5:36 pm

JLD wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:
JLD wrote:
what can be more beautifull than ruins. it so poetic.


Long after we're gone everything we've built will be reclaimed by nature, it's inevitable and only a matter of time. Some things will pass much more quickly than intended though, about 988 years sooner than expected in this case.


But how do you know we'll be gone? I am sure human population could be greatly diminished and abandoned structures and what not would be reclaimed by nature but not so sure about all humans dying out before the planet dies. It is inevitable that someday the sun will die which will destroy this planet...and if by then there are still humans and we haven't found a new world or have adequate space travel to get there then humanity will be obliterated.

Provided there aren't humans in other parts of the universe that is...who knows.


How optimistic we at the verge of WW3 btw... I think there are 1 maximum 3 years left. Mankind was unsuccessful experiment. Now is time to close it. But it should be grandious final ...as uverture to Tristan and Isolda by Richard Wagner...do you know what i mean... :D


Well I am not ready to submit to extinction, even if it is unrealistic gotta maintain some hope I suppose.


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21 May 2017, 5:49 pm

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..but we're unlikely to ever reach this position again if it happens because we won't have the benefit of fossil fuels next time around.

Our bones will be the fossil fuel for the next species.

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And if we manage to make it off this rock we likely will reach a point where we have our own new place (or places) and won't need to keep a bedroom in mom's increasingly dilapidated, over-exploited home.

Or we'll just suffocate in our own waste.