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04 Feb 2018, 8:05 pm

As a feminist, I find this simple question so overwhelming I could explode


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04 Feb 2018, 8:31 pm

Mikah wrote:
People might be interested in this audio interview.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/220/te ... /act-two-0

It's about a woman who started taking testosterone in order to transition and subsequently gave up on ideas of feminism and gender equality. Lots of discussion about male libido etc, but this part was interesting:

Something that happened after I started taking testosterone, I became interested in science. I was never interested in science before… I'm serious...I found myself understanding physics in a way I never had before.


Interesting...
But "one swallow does not a summer make..."



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05 Feb 2018, 6:57 pm

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What would we probably have to get through if we wanted to try and achieve gender equality?

-LegoMaster2149 (Written on February 1, 2018)


Define gender equality.

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species with a patriarchal bias so I don't believe equality in everything is possible.


I took a brief anthropology course and apparently patriarchy is not a given among our species.
Here's a somewhat recent article...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pi ... 3706df136b


There are few givens among humans because our neo cortex allows a level of pragmatism to override our instincts and innate tendencies, however it does not give us so much so that we are completely free of them.



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05 Feb 2018, 7:03 pm

Mikah wrote:
People might be interested in this audio interview.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/220/te ... /act-two-0

It's about a woman who started taking testosterone in order to transition and subsequently gave up on ideas of feminism and gender equality. Lots of discussion about male libido etc, but this part was interesting:

Something that happened after I started taking testosterone, I became interested in science. I was never interested in science before… I'm serious...I found myself understanding physics in a way I never had before.


It would be interesting to find out if cis-males also find Xerox machines sexually arousing.



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05 Feb 2018, 7:04 pm

I certainly don't......



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05 Feb 2018, 7:12 pm

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I certainly don't......


I'm pretty sure most don't. I think there's a difference between natural puberty and puberty induced through exogenic hormones. The first being, in natural puberty there is a ramp up that actually starts around the age of 9, and the second being that cis males experience puberty in the context of being treated and related to and parented as a boy and his focus is more so guided by his parents, friends, and society.



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05 Feb 2018, 7:14 pm

I didn't really want to have sex with anybody until I was 15.

Before then, I used to think romantically about girls, and sometimes get aroused because of it---but I wasn't interested, really, in even kissing girls until age 15.



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05 Feb 2018, 7:18 pm

Chronos wrote:
Mikah wrote:
People might be interested in this audio interview.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/220/te ... /act-two-0

It's about a woman who started taking testosterone in order to transition and subsequently gave up on ideas of feminism and gender equality. Lots of discussion about male libido etc, but this part was interesting:

Something that happened after I started taking testosterone, I became interested in science. I was never interested in science before… I'm serious...I found myself understanding physics in a way I never had before.


It would be interesting to find out if cis-males also find Xerox machines sexually arousing.


Not right now, but if I artificially doubled the T levels in my blood who knows.


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05 Feb 2018, 7:19 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I didn't really want to have sex with anybody until I was 15.

Before then, I used to think romantically about girls, and sometimes get aroused because of it---but I wasn't interested, really, in even kissing girls until age 15.


Testosterone levels go something like this in cis-males.

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05 Feb 2018, 7:23 pm

I was pretty much my adult height by age 15----but I looked like I was about 12. I could still get into movies paying "child prices."

My voice changed completely, in two months, at age 14. No "cracking" stage.

I knew I was able to make babies at age 14 years and one month.



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05 Feb 2018, 10:29 pm

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I was pretty much my adult height by age 15----but I looked like I was about 12. I could still get into movies paying "child prices."

My voice changed completely, in two months, at age 14. No "cracking" stage.

I knew I was able to make babies at age 14 years and one month.


My brother's voice started to change at about 12 but there wasn't an abrupt transition. My friend at 12 went from sounding like a boy to sounding like a 30 year old man in the course of a few months. He was really self conscious about it, especially when it came to calling girls on the phone for the first time.



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05 Feb 2018, 10:37 pm

I wasn't calling girls yet at 12. I will still a little boy.

There was this Orthodox Jewish girl who showed me her underarm hair---but I had no desire to reciprocate then.

If you Google "Cousin Oliver" of the Brady Bunch you'll see an image that is close to me when I was 12. I wore similar glasses, too.



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06 Feb 2018, 4:30 pm

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This sjw thing I only see online. I think it's probably a hyped up boogeyman by one side who just need a bad guy to vent at.

I saw "Black Lives Matter" quite a few times on the streets. And, well, Damore was kicked out from his job by some very real life people.
Maybe you're just living under a rock?


What an unpleasant comment.

If you cannot emotionally deal with people holding different views to you then maybe Internet forums are not for you.

a) I just pointed out the facts
b) Your personal belief isn't the universal truth that other people must accept as given
c) And now you're calling me names just because I pointed out the a) and b)
d) Apparently, the only person here who is having emotional problems with people holding different views to you is you


A. No you didn't, you threw an insult in there. You have even quoted yourself doing it.
B. Correct, hence why I said 'my view' and 'I think'
C. I have called you no names
D. Errrm. OK, whatever makes you happy.

No idea where all this is coming from but I have no real interest in it. I gave my views on the subject and no more. If you want to continue posting in the manner above then please stop directing them at me, I come here to chat and have a pleasant time.



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06 Feb 2018, 6:28 pm

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A. No you didn't, you threw an insult in there. You have even quoted yourself doing it.


"Maybe you're living under a rock" is an insult now? Oh my. I just can't keep up with the latest SJW inventions.

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C. I have called you no names

That's a lie. "If you cannot emotionally deal with people holding different views to you then maybe Internet forums are not for you."
This is far more offensive that the phrase about the rock. If you're so incredibly sensitive, filter your words too. Not just other people's words.

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please stop directing them at me

And now you're trying to command me what to do.



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06 Feb 2018, 6:49 pm

When somebody tells somebody that "maybe you're living under a rock," it means that somebody believes the other person is not aware of the world around them, and is especially naïve.



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07 Feb 2018, 11:34 am

Meanwhile in our primate cousins.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 23862/full

In a well-known study of captive vervet monkeys, Alexander and Hines (2002) found toy preferences among male and female vervets that paralleled human child toy preferences; males preferred toy cars and balls, whereas females preferred a doll and a pot. In a followup study of captive rhesus monkeys, Hassett et al. (2008) replicated the male preference for wheeled toys, but female preferences were more variable. […] There is emerging evidence of such differences in the wild. Immature chimpanzee males were found to engage in more object-oriented play than females (Koops et al., 2015), but female youngsters at one study site perform a specific behavior called “stick carrying,” in which a stick is cradled and carried in a form of play mothering, significantly more often than young males (Kahlenberg and Wrangham, 2010). Female biases in other forms of play parenting, such as interest in or attempting to interact with and carry other infants, are also widespread (e.g., western lowland gorillas, Meder, 1990; rhesus macaques: Lovejoy and Wallen, 1988; bonnet macaques: Silk, 1999; blue monkeys: Cords et al., 2010). Thus, there are diverse lines of evidence for sex differences in play behavior in many primate species. Indeed, these sex differences in play may represent evolved predispositions that reflect patterns of mating competition and parental investment that are shared by most mammalian species.

So is this a cultural problem? Are corporations accidentally changing monkey culture by marketing the wrong toys to female monkeys? Which is why, when they grow up, all the male monkeys become more interested in science and get all those lucrative STEM jobs in the jungle.


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