The unwelcome revival of 'race science'

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I have a dilemma now, am I considered white or non white? oh....maybe I need to check my IQ to find out. /sarcastic.

We are in agreement here also...
Circumstances generally makes the difference...

i'm off-white. no wonder I've been out in the cold all these decades.

The Jewish over representation in Noble prizes is due to something else: Networking and politics, it makes no sense that a small population gets Noble Prizes more frequently than all nations combined - here, read this:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... obel_Prize

It’s for the same reason why so many movies about the holocaust won tons of Oscars (even tho there are so many other genocides happened in history; for example only 1 “big” American movie was made on Armenian genocide and I don’t think it won an Oscar).

These common claims that Jews are inheritely smart - and have a lot of “Genius genes” - and hence why they win so many Noble prices is so similar to the false White supremacy theories.

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Looking at our last few centuries of history, the truth does seem to win in the end, though painfully slowly. I still find it amazing, however, as almost noöne seems to be interested in the truth. On the other hand, “political correctness” is usually brought up by people who aren’t actually being silenced, to paint their own views with a hardly justified aura of heroism. It’s a good way to avoid discussion by making any disagreement with you look like pure hypocrisy. The concept of political correctness isn’t particularly well-defined, either: most overt racists dismiss any non-racist view as mere “political correctness”, too.



Noöne ever answers anything to you if you don’t bother to read the answers. Clever, huh?





You’re aware those inventions came pretty late in our species’s history, even if you count only the tens of thousands of years after modern humans migrated out of Africa and began to look like their current descendants, aren’t you? At this scale, 2070 years is a pretty insignificant time span. What were the Chinese doing? Well, what were all humans—including whites, mind you—doing for at least tens of thousands of years before? You know, being too busy with basic survival and tribal warfare isn’t the best situation to start developing the rather advanced understanding of thermodynamics you need to make a steam engine work, let alone radio and electronics—you’ll get an arrow or a spear in your chest while you’re lost in your thoughts, and everyone will think you deserved it for being such an impractical fool.



How exactly? Are you implying people were lazy before because they lived in a welfare state that made their lives too easy? Even if this hypothesis is plausible today in the developed world, it certainly isn’t in pre-modern societies. The farther back in time you go, and hence the less developed science and technology are, the harder it is for any individual person to survive. Plenty of motivation to try to improve things—and people did, by means of constant warfare, which rarely accomplished anything but to replace a tyrant with another.



It took quite a bit more than the printing press to achieve mass education. Only in the 20th century did most of the population of developed countries become literate. Before, either it wasn’t economically feasible, or there was no motivation to learn to read and write, because it wasn’t seen as a worthwhile time investment.

In fact, there were white societies in which writing (in the form of runes) was so far removed from anything most members regarded as useful that it was seen as arcane and associated with witchcraft, and its practitioners consequently shunned or worse. People of the same “race” behave in extremely different ways depending on their existing culture.



It’s not like whites didn’t spend millennia doing the same. Maybe because you’re too busy hand-washing your clothes? It takes technology to have the time to develop more technology. That’s why progress becomes faster over time, and why it was so dismally slow in the beginning for all humans.



I guess it isn’t, either, when whites do it. Fortunately, scientific and technological progress also helps any talented individual put their mind to good use, by making it less likely that they’ll have to waste it doing menial labor.



And that’s supposed to test IQ? More like testing whether you’ve been exposed to basic mechanics.

I blame Gaia - she's racist against brown people.

I think most white supremacists would not consider you white but near eastern or middle eastern but obviously there are no clear boundaries. To address this fact, the nazis believed in different "purities" of "aryan" and occassionally, jews who they thought looked "aryan" enough and were particularly good looking could receive a certificate that awarded them "aryan" status. Racists and science don't mix.

Yes, there is social networking as well. I cannot speak for the social or popular aspects surrounding the Nobel Prize but social connections and politics do play a hand in the Academy Awards and that is no secret.

I have always been a proponant of the theory that Ashkenazi culture is a driving force behind Ashkenazi overrepresentation in Academia and provides an environment that encourages the development of critical thinking skills. Judaism as practiced by Ashkenazi jews is the only major religion that encourages actually questioning the religion both macroscopically and microscopically. It is no coincidence that Yiddish sentences are often phrased as questions.

Is there a genetic component to Ashkenazi intelligence? I think it depends on what is considered intelligence how many standard deviations from the norm we are talking about. If we are talking about generally bright individuals, I think a lot of that is culture. If we are talking about individuals such as Albert Einstein, Albert Einstein had an abnormal brain, abnormal development, and his son was schizophrenic, so his intelligence I believe was a "defect" akin to some sort of disorder and and Ashkenazis populations have a high prevalence for certain genetic disorders. But these disorders are sporadic within the population and an individual either has one or doesn't and most don't so if there is a higher prevalence of exceedingly high and unusual intelligence among Ashkenazi jews that follows recessive inheritance models, it cannot be applied to the population in general other than to say there is a greater chance of it like saying there is a greater risk for Tay Sachs or Gaucher disease.

There's some evidence for that: apparently, when intelligence testing was first tried out in New York in the early C20th, the Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazim, many of whom had recently arrived from Eastern Europe, were the population with the lowest measured average IQ. Ten years later, they had the highest. The tests weren't "culture-fair" enough for a bunch of culture-shocked pogrom refugees with often very little English to do well at them. But these same people had a famously strong drive for educational self-improvement.

To briefly summerize his position laid out in Guns, Germs and Steel; the primary factor in why Eurasians progressed much more quickly in terms of techonology than Sub-Saharan Africans, Americans and Australians is largely a matter of access to resources and a virtuous cycle. The less time a society needs to invest in feeding itself, the more time they have to invest in other pursuits, focus on economic specialization etc.

As for why it was Western Europe and not another section of Eurasia, he suggests the political situation with multiple competing states might be relevant, China was often too centralized, so their brief period of exploration was killed off, whereas in Europe Columbus was able to shop around for a patron, if one said no he asked another; some other portions were too decentralized and some portions didn't have access to a means of crossing the ocean and finding additional resources. Combined with the wealth looted from the New World and the labour stolen through slavery and Western Europe's economy was getting nitrous injection and every one else's wasn't - stimulating the virtuous cycle.

But, if you'd like to understand his position in more depth, read the book and stop asking the same question over and over again when you've already been told where the answer is.

Actually, China invented a different printing press technology 600 years before Europe.

Capitalism certainly motivates poor people (but not rich people) to work hard, though it doesn't create inventions.

Almost all of Africa is more capitalist than the United States at this point. Has capitalism made Africa a better place? You tell me.

Washing machines don't magically appear wherever smart people can be found.

Think you are smart? Go into the middle of the woods and build a washing machine with whatever you can find there. Let's see how long it takes.

In order to build a washing machine, you first need to build and prepare the materials. You also need to build an electrical grid in order to make it work.

What is a washing machine made of? Metal and plastic! Where do metal and plastic come from? The earth! Can you find metal and plastic in any part of the planet? Of course not. That's why mines are built in specific locations. You can't just dig anywhere in the ground and expect to find the exact type of metal that you need.

The old Mayans used to make extremely sharp blades, which impressed even European colonialists. Does this mean that the Mayans had ideal blade-making DNA ... or did the Mayans just live very close to a rich source of high-quality obsidian?

Why do the Chinese use bamboo for everything? Do Chinese people naturally love bamboo ... or do they just use bamboo because China is full of the stuff?

I beg your pardon?
I think it is the norm for those who succeed well above the norm to be driven towards greater success...
Some people live to work and are inspired by their success to continue more of the same...

Using Jordan Peterson's intellectual construct of serotonin "addiction" via successful interaction with the environment, this seems a very plausible hypothesis that can be applied to successful entrepreneurs...

The political correctness issue is relatively new...
It wasn't around when I was a kid...
Yes I know, that was at the time of the dinosaur...
I guess I am one also...


Agreed...


I strongly disagree...
Despite my own heroic courage worthy of Hercules, I too have areas of discussion which I simply can't broach...
The far left-wing Nazi party has infiltrated most social strata and have a stranglehold on freedom of speech and are heavily influencing freedom of thought as a result of diminished access to intellectual constructs...
This is reminiscent of Nazi Book Burning...metaphorically speaking...
People might speak out, but their reputation will be unfairly trashed together with their credibility...

More and more mainstream inhabitants are being converted into group-think jackals...
Neurotypicals are more prone to the collectivisation of ideas...
We autistic individualistic (kool) "cats", not so much...

Exactly. Everything is incremental and must build upon previous things. Thus Moore's Law. We had to build machines with the technology we had to build machines that could build machines that could build smaller machines that could build smaller machines, so to speak, and there needs to be a demand for it, among other things.

If we were all content with 64k we would still have 64k.