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10 Jun 2018, 2:52 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:
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How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?


Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

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Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.


So ... are you anti-military?

I'm just asking. You seem to hate the government, and the US military has an especially poor track record when it comes to improving people's lives.

Ronald Reagan one said that the scariest sentence ever is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Personally, I think that "I'm from someone else's government and I'm here to help." is much scarier.

Why do some people say it is not a right?



Because they are conservative. Every conservative I have seen are all bigoted and closed minded so I don't like any of them. Conservatives are against universal healthcare. Why? Because they don't care about the elderly and the disabled and everyone. They don't care if you get into an accident and get a $200,000 medical bill even with insurance.


While staunchly proclaiming themselves to be Pro-Life.


I'm pro choice. There are too many unwanted kids in the world and kids who grow up in orphanages and get abused and neglected due to the place being understaffed and the way the unwanted kids are treated in China (most of them being girls) and people who have a kid they resent and abuse them or neglect them than putting them up for an adoption or letting someone else in their family have them or just simply have an abortion. If more people would have an abortion, there would be a lot less kids in the foster system and orphanages and less kids being abused. But do the pro lifers care about these children and what they go through? No.


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10 Jun 2018, 3:12 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Bataar wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Bataar wrote:
How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?


Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

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Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.


So ... are you anti-military?

I'm just asking. You seem to hate the government, and the US military has an especially poor track record when it comes to improving people's lives.

Ronald Reagan one said that the scariest sentence ever is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Personally, I think that "I'm from someone else's government and I'm here to help." is much scarier.

Why do some people say it is not a right?



Because they are conservative. Every conservative I have seen are all bigoted and closed minded so I don't like any of them. Conservatives are against universal healthcare. Why? Because they don't care about the elderly and the disabled and everyone. They don't care if you get into an accident and get a $200,000 medical bill even with insurance.

Your ignorance is astounding. You're the close minded bigot here.



I'm bigoted against bigots, thank you. :P


And a fine thing to be, indeed! :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:


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10 Jun 2018, 3:35 pm

im always in the thought process of "take what you can get" and "always prepare for the worst and hope for the best"

on the other hand i am reliant on the nhs to provide free healthcare because my condition relies on life-saving treatment which I cannot afford otherwise i'd just drop dead (im sure some of you won't mind one less burden on society)



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10 Jun 2018, 5:18 pm

League_Girl wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Bataar wrote:
How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?


Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

Quote:
Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.


So ... are you anti-military?

I'm just asking. You seem to hate the government, and the US military has an especially poor track record when it comes to improving people's lives.

Ronald Reagan one said that the scariest sentence ever is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Personally, I think that "I'm from someone else's government and I'm here to help." is much scarier.

Why do some people say it is not a right?



Because they are conservative. Every conservative I have seen are all bigoted and closed minded so I don't like any of them. Conservatives are against universal healthcare. Why? Because they don't care about the elderly and the disabled and everyone. They don't care if you get into an accident and get a $200,000 medical bill even with insurance.


While staunchly proclaiming themselves to be Pro-Life.


I'm pro choice. There are too many unwanted kids in the world and kids who grow up in orphanages and get abused and neglected due to the place being understaffed and the way the unwanted kids are treated in China (most of them being girls) and people who have a kid they resent and abuse them or neglect them than putting them up for an adoption or letting someone else in their family have them or just simply have an abortion. If more people would have an abortion, there would be a lot less kids in the foster system and orphanages and less kids being abused. But do the pro lifers care about these children and what they go through? No.


Sings "love all the babies till they're born."<<<<fits pro-lifers exactly



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11 Jun 2018, 7:43 am

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Yes, political correctness sucks. People who whine about sexy video games are losers ... but right-wing political correctness is no different.

People are offended by everything nowadays.
But not conservatives. Conservatives are never offended by anything ;)


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11 Jun 2018, 10:10 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
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If I were being harsh you'd be crying.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

C'mon, you can do better than that.


http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic ... 5#p7919017
http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic ... 5#p7919006


Ok Raptor, why don't you address what DarthMetalKnight and I have said here instead of being an immature child.

Or, be the eagle, soar, fly away, quit being a b***h boy whiner, pay your f*****g taxes and shut the f**k up. Life's not fair dude.


Stop with the personal attacks.

I don't have a problem booting you anymore than I have a problem booting Raptor.


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11 Jun 2018, 10:48 am

League_Girl wrote:
Bataar wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Bataar wrote:
How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?


Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

Quote:
Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.


So ... are you anti-military?

I'm just asking. You seem to hate the government, and the US military has an especially poor track record when it comes to improving people's lives.

Ronald Reagan one said that the scariest sentence ever is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Personally, I think that "I'm from someone else's government and I'm here to help." is much scarier.

Why do some people say it is not a right?



Because they are conservative. Every conservative I have seen are all bigoted and closed minded so I don't like any of them. Conservatives are against universal healthcare. Why? Because they don't care about the elderly and the disabled and everyone. They don't care if you get into an accident and get a $200,000 medical bill even with insurance.

Your ignorance is astounding. You're the close minded bigot here.



I'm bigoted against bigots, thank you. :P

So let's try to get you educated. No conservative is against universal healthcare because they don't care about the elderly and disabled and everyone. They're against universal healthcare because they know it will be a worse option than what we have now. Costs will ultimately go up, like they do with everything the more the government gets involved. Quality will go down and people don't want to give the government that kind of control over their lives. It has nothing to do with not caring about anyone, and everything to do with personal choice and the efficiency of government.



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11 Jun 2018, 10:53 am

XFilesGeek wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Raptor wrote:
If I were being harsh you'd be crying.
:twisted:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

C'mon, you can do better than that.


viewtopic.php?t=364716&start=45#p7919017
viewtopic.php?t=364716&start=45#p7919006


Ok Raptor, why don't you address what DarthMetalKnight and I have said here instead of being an immature child.

Or, be the eagle, soar, fly away, quit being a b***h boy whiner, pay your f*****g taxes and shut the f**k up. Life's not fair dude.


Stop with the personal attacks.

I don't have a problem booting you anymore than I have a problem booting Raptor.


Point taken! No problem! But will you PM me though please if you don't mind?



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11 Jun 2018, 11:47 am

^ I usually will, however, in light of recent complaints, certain people will blubber and complain about how "biased" mods are if we aren't 100% transparent.


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11 Jun 2018, 11:58 am

Bataar wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Bataar wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Bataar wrote:
How about opposing universal healthcare due to the ultimate increase in expense, decrease in choice of and quality of care, and strict rationing of care and services?


Most people who live in countries with universal healthcare are genuinely satisfied with their coverage. They typically pay less money for better coverage.

Quote:
Let's face it, the government can't manage anything. I don't want them managing my healthcare.


So ... are you anti-military?

I'm just asking. You seem to hate the government, and the US military has an especially poor track record when it comes to improving people's lives.

Ronald Reagan one said that the scariest sentence ever is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Personally, I think that "I'm from someone else's government and I'm here to help." is much scarier.

Why do some people say it is not a right?



Because they are conservative. Every conservative I have seen are all bigoted and closed minded so I don't like any of them. Conservatives are against universal healthcare. Why? Because they don't care about the elderly and the disabled and everyone. They don't care if you get into an accident and get a $200,000 medical bill even with insurance.

Your ignorance is astounding. You're the close minded bigot here.



I'm bigoted against bigots, thank you. :P

So let's try to get you educated. No conservative is against universal healthcare because they don't care about the elderly and disabled and everyone. They're against universal healthcare because they know it will be a worse option than what we have now. Costs will ultimately go up, like they do with everything the more the government gets involved. Quality will go down and people don't want to give the government that kind of control over their lives. It has nothing to do with not caring about anyone, and everything to do with personal choice and the efficiency of government.


Well, let me ask you this. If it has nothing to do with not caring about anyone then let me ask you this. Is the average joe willing to pay out of his own money those who are unable to pay or care for themselves? Are they willing to take someone in their own home as well including psychiatric, psychological treatment and social skills training?

As for quality, I would rather receive lower quality medical care that still will effectively treat me then to receive none at all and that is what those who are not insured receive.

As for government control and choice the presumption is that choice is always good. Is it really? What if one has 1000s of different choices? How is he expected to go through 1000s of choices to be able to pick the most effective and least costly one? What if they don't want to have to do that? Where is there choice not to have to do all of that?



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11 Jun 2018, 12:29 pm

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^ I usually will, however, in light of recent complaints, certain people will blubber and complain about how "biased" mods are if we aren't 100% transparent.


XFG, ok I understand. Ok, I will say something out here. Point is one group which Raptor is a part of expects another group to accept that life is not fair, yadda, yadda yadda. But, the group which Raptor is a part of demands their own brand of fairness of life. They perceive see it as unfair that they're forced to pay through their tax dollars to welfare recipients who they perceive as being parasites and a drain on others people. I think raptor's group should be consistent. If he and his group believes life is unfair and we must accept it as so then let's apply it across the whole board. He and his group has to accept that life is not fair, pay his tax and quit complaining. All in all, I think it's time to shove the s**t right back at him and his group and call out their own hypocrisy by making them eat their own words so they see their own hypocrisy. So, all in all XFG my personal attack of him is my attempt to prove a point. Sort of like using a fallacy in a non-fallacious form if you get my analogy.

My "personal attack" as you call it was deliberate and controlled to get him and others in his group to see how inconsistent their standards are. There is a method to my madness.



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11 Jun 2018, 2:55 pm

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Do you think it is?


It should always be a right and not just for those who think that they are the only ones who are entitled to it.


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11 Jun 2018, 3:55 pm

Conservatives are against healthcare and welfar cause “mines money”



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11 Jun 2018, 5:02 pm

it all boils down to "I've got mine so screw you! every man for himself and the devil (the poor) take the hindmost!" that is the dominant amuuurican meme, whereas in every other [more] civilized western nation, it is "we're all in this thing together." it's long past time amuurica morally evolved and got past its juvenile preoccupation with exceptionalism.



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11 Jun 2018, 5:19 pm

Those conservatives who are the "haves" feel they have no responsibility to those who "have not." In fact, they'll make up reasons for how the "have nots" are not deserving of help, all for the sake of greed.


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Those conservatives who are the "haves" feel they have no responsibility to those who "have not." In fact, they'll make up reasons for how the "have nots" are not deserving of help, all for the sake of greed.


Bill, you and aunt blabby hit the nail right on the head! This country has been going down the sewer spiritually, ethically and morally long before I earned my master’s back in 1985. I got sucked up in the Gordon Gekko phenomenon about that time. It took me almost 30 years to realize that neither management nor labor gives a damn about the other side, nor do they give a damn about others in their own tribe.

In a very perverse way, I hope the Cheeto-in-Chief destroys this country. When I was working as a driver for Pizza Hut, I worked for a manager who did 2 tours of ‘Nam. His opinion is that people will wake up up once they realize they’ve been duped. I get the dreadful feeling it will be too late once we, the people, realize this. Walt Kelly was right: we have the enemy, and he is us. Also, H.L. Mencken was telling the truth when he made the sardonic observation Never underestimate the intelligence of the American electorate.