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01 Nov 2018, 8:08 pm

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Bill- Well let's imagine that does happen. Do you think it is possible that the Democrats could reform and ditch the sell outs and adopt policies that most Americans want, like a national health service. Or could the party split?

See if the Democrats were focusing on people rather than companies there is a great discussion to be heard about healthcare. Whether a true free market system would work or a national healthcare system.


If there are enough people calling themselves socialists (in truth, most are really not, but rather are hard leftists), there might be hope for the future. Especially since the Clinton wing of the party had done such a stellar job last election (sarcasm), and so might just eventually melt away.


Yeah. I think the first step has to be putting up a better nominee. It could have actually been a debate about policies if Sanders was the Democrat leader, rather than a mud slinging fight.


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01 Nov 2018, 8:16 pm

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Bill- Well let's imagine that does happen. Do you think it is possible that the Democrats could reform and ditch the sell outs and adopt policies that most Americans want, like a national health service. Or could the party split?

See if the Democrats were focusing on people rather than companies there is a great discussion to be heard about healthcare. Whether a true free market system would work or a national healthcare system.


If there are enough people calling themselves socialists (in truth, most are really not, but rather are hard leftists), there might be hope for the future. Especially since the Clinton wing of the party had done such a stellar job last election (sarcasm), and so might just eventually melt away.


Yeah. I think the first step has to be putting up a better nominee. It could have actually been a debate about policies if Sanders was the Democrat leader, rather than a mud slinging fight.


Agreed.


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01 Nov 2018, 8:26 pm

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the dominant political meme in this country seems to be GOP=evil, Democrat=stupid. but stupid is a kind of evil, IMHO.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... alism.html
click above to find out if you too are a democratic socialist :idea:


I think that it's more in the reverse, especially seeing how the last few years were.
As in GOP=stupid (if anything), Democrats=evil (again, if anything).

And I am not a Democratic Socialist. I support a system of markets closer to what would be primarily hands-off from the government perspective.



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01 Nov 2018, 8:28 pm

people who expend tremendous political capital to finally get me a semblance of affordable health care cannot be evil in my book. people who expend tremendous energy systematically denying me affordable health care are indubitably evil.



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01 Nov 2018, 8:32 pm

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people who expend tremendous political capital to finally get me a semblance of affordable health care cannot be evil in my book. people who expend tremendous energy systematically denying me affordable health care are indubitably evil.


Preachin' to the choir!


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02 Nov 2018, 12:07 pm

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people who expend tremendous political capital to finally get me a semblance of affordable health care cannot be evil in my book. people who expend tremendous energy systematically denying me affordable health care are indubitably evil.


"Evil...me me me".

A libertarian would argue that a true free market system would bring the prices down lower. I had a libertarian tell me that they'd rather have a Europe type system rather than what they have now. Calling people evil isn't going to win the argument.


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02 Nov 2018, 6:52 pm

Libertarians turn a very blind eye to the old, the sick, the disabled and defenceless children. It's the mote in the eye of their ideology that they carefully skirt around and never directly address.



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03 Nov 2018, 2:45 am

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If another website uses RT that is fine as long as the story checks out.

And as long as the other website credits its source.

What struck my BF and me as very strange was how, during the summer of 2016, Breitbart and other right-wing websites seemed to be plagiarizing RT, carrying RT-derived stories WITHOUT crediting their source, though they typically credited many of their other sources.

As for Russian interference in U.S. politics: I don't have time for this right now, but sometime later I may dig up a bunch of news stories about it and ask you why you think they are unfounded.


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03 Nov 2018, 12:36 pm

Can't wait.


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