Right-Wing Extremism is On the Rise.
The_Walrus wrote:
Russia isn't going to be reborn. Russia's on the decline. Its average growth rate over the last five years is 0.2%, which is the 20th worst in the world, behind Italy and Cyprus and well behind places like Spain, the US (2.27%) and the UK (2.34%). China and India are both over 5%.
Russia basically a less extreme version of North Korea - it excels in a few things, and it uses those to try and wield more influence than, on balance, it deserves.
Because Russia can't keep up with other countries, it is desperately lashing out at more successful countries and trying to destabilise them and weaken their global influence. It's had considerable success (successfully got Trump elected, probably had a big role in Brexit although not as clear there, Skirpal assassination attempt undermined the British left). It's also had those military misadventures into neighbouring countries. But domestically Russia is in a terrible state.
If NATO gets usurped, it is much more likely to be by China than Russia.
Russia basically a less extreme version of North Korea - it excels in a few things, and it uses those to try and wield more influence than, on balance, it deserves.
Because Russia can't keep up with other countries, it is desperately lashing out at more successful countries and trying to destabilise them and weaken their global influence. It's had considerable success (successfully got Trump elected, probably had a big role in Brexit although not as clear there, Skirpal assassination attempt undermined the British left). It's also had those military misadventures into neighbouring countries. But domestically Russia is in a terrible state.
If NATO gets usurped, it is much more likely to be by China than Russia.
Lol got Trump elected. Nope the Democrats pretty much did that by stealing the nomination from Sanders and putting the worst candidate in history in his place. No role in Brexit. Yeah, they sent two oaths straight from Moscow who stayed in a London flea pit hotel, getting stoned and having sex so loudly that the other guests complained, then went and put novichok gel on a door handle in Salisbury
Unm, it responded after the illegal coup by the US using neo Nazis to other throw an elected government.
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JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
A lot of Trump voters voted for Obama and then Sanders. So yes, the liberal establishment pushed them to Trump. Supporting open borders and illegal wars. Destroying the working class of all colours. Stop blaming white people, stop blaming Russia, stop blaming Trump and face reality and the route causes.
Then those misled Obama voters will support the Democratic Presidential nominee since that won't be Hilary Clinton.
Besides, I'm not calling all Trump voters extremists, or even most. Those who are white nationalists see themselves as a backlash against the Obama years, and civil rights gains.
Russia hasn't been brought up in this conversation, until you introduced it on this thread.
Probably not now they realise the Democrat party has been lying to them for 3 years and spent their money on the biggest hoax in US history. It would take someone like Tulsi Gabbard to beat Trump but the psychopathic media will try to stop her as well as her own party. Flooding the country with illegal immigrants aren't "civil rights gains".
Only the most hard core Trump supporters, who had never voted Democrat in the first place, close their minds completely to Russian collusion. The Dems who voted for Trump because of the way Bernie had been screwed, as well as those union members in the Rustbelt, will be more than happy to come home.
The polar opposite is true. Only die hard Democrat voters have hung on to the Russiagate hoax. That's the problem right there, this native attachment to a corrupted party however terrible the candidate is. Now the Russiagate hoax is there for all to see and if the Democrats put up a terrible candidate again Trump will win easily.
Since when has that happened? I don't recall the Mueller report stating such a thing. In fact, the fact that team Trump had met with Putin's agents, and that Kushner had set up an encrypted line with the Russians - the transcripts wich Trump refuses to hand over to Congress - says very differently.
The report is a flop. No indictments of Americans regarding collusion. I'd be angry if my taxes had been wasted on this hoax.
That's just unfounded tripe I'm afraid. The show's over.
Or is this a matter of Mueller telling Congress: these are the facts. It's your move now.
Nope. The hoax is over.
Don't hold your breath on that.
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The_Walrus wrote:
Russia isn't going to be reborn. Russia's on the decline. Its average growth rate over the last five years is 0.2%, which is the 20th worst in the world, behind Italy and Cyprus and well behind places like Spain, the US (2.27%) and the UK (2.34%). China and India are both over 5%.
Russia basically a less extreme version of North Korea - it excels in a few things, and it uses those to try and wield more influence than, on balance, it deserves.
Because Russia can't keep up with other countries, it is desperately lashing out at more successful countries and trying to destabilise them and weaken their global influence. It's had considerable success (successfully got Trump elected, probably had a big role in Brexit although not as clear there, Skirpal assassination attempt undermined the British left). It's also had those military misadventures into neighbouring countries. But domestically Russia is in a terrible state.
If NATO gets usurped, it is much more likely to be by China than Russia.
Russia basically a less extreme version of North Korea - it excels in a few things, and it uses those to try and wield more influence than, on balance, it deserves.
Because Russia can't keep up with other countries, it is desperately lashing out at more successful countries and trying to destabilise them and weaken their global influence. It's had considerable success (successfully got Trump elected, probably had a big role in Brexit although not as clear there, Skirpal assassination attempt undermined the British left). It's also had those military misadventures into neighbouring countries. But domestically Russia is in a terrible state.
If NATO gets usurped, it is much more likely to be by China than Russia.
Even if Russia is in decline, Putin isn't going to put his dreams of a Russian rebirth on hold anytime soon.
I readily admit, I am not up on how China is a threat to NATO. I do know it certainly looks like Putin is directing Trump to break up the alliance, which would open the door to military expansion into former Soviet Republics and satellite states.
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JohnPowell wrote:
Everybody worried about Putin, no one worried about the man who has greatly consolidated power and has a stated goal of reunifying all of China: Xi Jinping.
Perhaps it's because we economically depend on China and not Russia.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
The fat lady hasn't sung yet. Besides, that claim that there is no evidence was found is based more on wishful thinking, as Team Trump's meeting with Russian agents, and Kushner's encrypted line with Putin, which he established by working around the American intelligence agencies rather than with them, says the opposite.
Lol, the fat lady has sung many times, democrats just seem to be tone deaf. As JohnPowell keeps pointing out, 3 whole years, not one indictment for Russian collusion. Now, watch little crim daddy predict this one, if trump wins 2020, watch the same Russian collusion conspiracy theory stay active for many years to come with no evidence and no indictments.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if Russia is in decline, Putin isn't going to put his dreams of a Russian rebirth on hold anytime soon.
I readily admit, I am not up on how China is a threat to NATO. I do know it certainly looks like Putin is directing Trump to break up the alliance, which would open the door to military expansion into former Soviet Republics and satellite states.
Let's look at military spending for example.
The USA spends over $600bn as part of its strategy to be able to fight two existential wars at once.
China's spend is harder to estimate but is around $200bn. This is comfortably second place.
Russia spends around $65bn which puts it fourth behind Saudi Arabia. But it isn't very far ahead of France, the UK, and Germany, or India, Japan, and South Korea for that matter.
Hypothetically, if Russia tried to invade Europe then it would have to fight against three armies each with 65-85% of its funding, plus Italy is sizeable and other countries would chip in. Europe could see the Russians off without American help. It would be a terrible war, but most of the time Europe would win comfortably. But if Russia allowed China to invade Europe, then I think the Chinese would "win" about 50% of the time unless the Europeans had help from their allies.
If you look at the economic importance of the countries then it is similar. Geopolitically, Russia has historically been a poor ally, but China is a very useful one and is earning a lot of favour with emerging economies through its generous trade policies. And of course China shares Russia's imperialist, expansionist ambitions, autocratic ruling style, and persecution of religious minorities and political dissidents.
I should be clear that I don't actually see China "overthrowing" NATO or anything like that. But I do see China expanding its influence throughout Asia and Africa and even Eastern Europe, and eventually becoming a more important geopolitical power than at least the US, if not NATO and its allies.
The_Walrus wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if Russia is in decline, Putin isn't going to put his dreams of a Russian rebirth on hold anytime soon.
I readily admit, I am not up on how China is a threat to NATO. I do know it certainly looks like Putin is directing Trump to break up the alliance, which would open the door to military expansion into former Soviet Republics and satellite states.
Let's look at military spending for example.
The USA spends over $600bn as part of its strategy to be able to fight two existential wars at once.
China's spend is harder to estimate but is around $200bn. This is comfortably second place.
Russia spends around $65bn which puts it fourth behind Saudi Arabia. But it isn't very far ahead of France, the UK, and Germany, or India, Japan, and South Korea for that matter.
Hypothetically, if Russia tried to invade Europe then it would have to fight against three armies each with 65-85% of its funding, plus Italy is sizeable and other countries would chip in. Europe could see the Russians off without American help. It would be a terrible war, but most of the time Europe would win comfortably. But if Russia allowed China to invade Europe, then I think the Chinese would "win" about 50% of the time unless the Europeans had help from their allies.
If you look at the economic importance of the countries then it is similar. Geopolitically, Russia has historically been a poor ally, but China is a very useful one and is earning a lot of favour with emerging economies through its generous trade policies. And of course China shares Russia's imperialist, expansionist ambitions, autocratic ruling style, and persecution of religious minorities and political dissidents.
I should be clear that I don't actually see China "overthrowing" NATO or anything like that. But I do see China expanding its influence throughout Asia and Africa and even Eastern Europe, and eventually becoming a more important geopolitical power than at least the US, if not NATO and its allies.
Nuclear weapons makes the point moot anyways. The Soviet Union strongly considered invading China in the 1970s. At the time they had several thousand nuclear weapons. Soviet leaders declined to do so because they calculated that China's 30 inferior nuclear weapons at the time would cause "an unacceptable amount of damage."
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Crimadella wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fat lady hasn't sung yet. Besides, that claim that there is no evidence was found is based more on wishful thinking, as Team Trump's meeting with Russian agents, and Kushner's encrypted line with Putin, which he established by working around the American intelligence agencies rather than with them, says the opposite.
Lol, the fat lady has sung many times, democrats just seem to be tone deaf. As JohnPowell keeps pointing out, 3 whole years, not one indictment for Russian collusion. Now, watch little crim daddy predict this one, if trump wins 2020, watch the same Russian collusion conspiracy theory stay active for many years to come with no evidence and no indictments.
Never too late to charge the Cheeto, his unholy spawn, and Kushner. Ignore Trump's meeting with the Russians, and Kushner's encrypted line to Putin, at your own peril.
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It's John Pilger's film "The Coming War On China".
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