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12 Jun 2019, 9:57 pm

Where does it say that Jesus supported genocide?

That’s going overboard.

It would have been nice if He could have prevented it.

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12 Jun 2019, 10:13 pm

I deleted it because I’m trying to avoid too much religious controversy.

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12 Jun 2019, 10:16 pm

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Oh wait I'm wrong, the genocide of Jericho came when Jesus was around.

I guess Jesus supported genocide too. Go figure. :shrug:

The heck are you talking about?

You were right the first time.

The walls came a tumbling down in Jericho DEEP back in the Old Testament in the book of Joshua.
The event supposedly happened 1400 years BEFORE Christ. Don't know how you got Christ into it.

Moses led the exodus out of Egypt, and when they reached the Promised Land they had ...to get rid of the folks who already lived there, who were the Canaanites. And Jericho was the first Canaanite town they attacked. That was WAYYYYYY before Jesus.

Maybe you have Jericho confused with Jerusalem. Shortly AFTER Christ the Jews became, not the perps, but the victims of close to genocide, and got dispersed as a people, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, after crushing Jewish revolts.

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12 Jun 2019, 10:20 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Where does it say that Jesus supported genocide?

That’s going overboard.

It would have been nice if He could have prevented it.

Jesus supported the scriptures and was one with God (the Father/Jehovah/YHWH). The scriptures tell of God causing genocide himself by way of the great flood and then later on ordering Israel to genocide certain races.

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12 Jun 2019, 10:25 pm

The Destruction of Jericho
6 Now Jericho was securely shut up because of the children of Israel; none went out, and none came in. 2 And the Lord said to Joshua: “See! I have given Jericho into your hand, its king, and the mighty men of valor. 3 You shall march around the city, all you men of war; you shall go all around the city once. This you shall do six days. 4 And seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark. But the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. 5 It shall come to pass, when they make a long blast with the ram’s horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, that all the people shall shout with a great shout; then the wall of the city will fall down flat. And the people shall go up every man straight before him.”

6 Then Joshua the son of Nun called the priests and said to them, “Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark of the Lord.” 7 And he said to the people, “Proceed, and march around the city, and let him who is armed advance before the ark of the Lord.”

8 So it was, when Joshua had spoken to the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the Lord advanced and blew the trumpets, and the ark of the covenant of the Lord followed them. 9 The armed men went before the priests who blew the trumpets, and the rear guard came after the ark, while the priests continued blowing the trumpets. 10 Now Joshua had commanded the people, saying, “You shall not shout or make any noise with your voice, nor shall a word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I say to you, ‘Shout!’ Then you shall shout.” 11 So he had the ark of the Lord circle the city, going around it once. Then they came into the camp and [a]lodged in the camp.

12 And Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the Lord. 13 Then seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark of the Lord went on continually and blew with the trumpets. And the armed men went before them. But the rear guard came after the ark of the Lord, while the priests continued blowing the trumpets. 14 And the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. So they did six days.

15 But it came to pass on the seventh day that they rose early, about the dawning of the day, and marched around the city seven times in the same manner. On that day only they marched around the city seven times. 16 And the seventh time it happened, when the priests blew the trumpets, that Joshua said to the people: “Shout, for the Lord has given you the city! 17 Now the city shall be doomed by the Lord to destruction, it and all who are in it. Only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And you, by all means abstain from the accursed things, lest you become accursed when you take of the accursed things, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are [b]consecrated to the Lord; they [c]shall come into the treasury of the Lord.”

20 So the people shouted when the priests blew the trumpets. And it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat. Then the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

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12 Jun 2019, 10:32 pm

This is an interesting article.

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Did God Command the Mass Killing of the Canaanites?

One way in which biblical scholars have attempted to resolve the problem of the mass killing of the Canaanites is to suggest that God never commanded it. This argument is advanced in one of two ways:

https://www.bethinking.org/bible/old-te ... s-killings

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12 Jun 2019, 10:37 pm

Here's a quote from Jesus that pretty much jusitifies the murder of anyone who does not believe in him.

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. — luke 19:27 1

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12 Jun 2019, 10:39 pm

I'm probably way too late to this thread since it's already five pages deep.

One thing I will opine - Hebrews always struck me has having been written very differently to a lot of the other Pauline material and in rather interesting ways.

As for the OP hypothesis there are people who take the idea that Paul may have been an infiltrator set by Rome to Hellenize the output of the movement, although he couldn't have held a candle to John in this regard.

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12 Jun 2019, 10:40 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

If you can read Ancient Greek, Ancient Hebrew, and Ancient Aramaic, you can read the Bible in the original.

You can refer to an online concordance that gives a breakdown of Greek and Hebrew words.

https://biblehub.com/concordance/

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12 Jun 2019, 10:44 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:

Oh wait I'm wrong, the genocide of Jericho came when Jesus was around.

I guess Jesus supported genocide too. Go figure. :shrug:

I think I did get the two mixed up. My bad. :oops:

But he still supported genocide. luke 19:27

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12 Jun 2019, 11:05 pm

TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:

Here's a quote from Jesus that pretty much jusitifies the murder of anyone who does not believe in him.

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. — luke 19:27 1

That is part of a parable though. It's a story Jesus is telling about "a man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king". The line "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." is what the man in the story said.

Really one must read at least the entire chapter of Luke 19 to get a better understanding of the context of the 27th verse of that chapter.

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The Parable of the Ten Minas

11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’

14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’

15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’

17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’

18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’

19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’

22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’

24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

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