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21 Nov 2019, 10:23 pm

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I understand "institutionalized" racism very well. I've studied it. And I believe it existed. And I believe it still exists.

But people sometimes use the "white privilege" thing to devalue people who have been through quite a bit. There are white people who have been through quite a bit. Telling them that their experiences are somehow (at least somewhat) invalid because they are "white and privileged" is telling them something that is probably not true.

I have been the recipient of "white privilege" in that I've been able to use a restaurant bathroom where a black person might be denied the use of that bathroom. This sort of thing happens all the time.

But I do not feel that I am, primarily, a recipient of "white privilege." I've worked to "get where I am." And I got there in a primarily "minority" environment.



I forfeited my 'privilege' when I strayed off the course with my familial upbringing. After that, everything was a fight. So, I guess when everything was fight, it's hard to feel the privilege. I should've stayed the course, I could sure as hell use some white privilege right about now. And I'd take it too. Sometimes I just feel like checking myself in to the closest ARC and becoming a garden variety ret*d and be done with it.


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23 Nov 2019, 2:25 pm

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That is a very interesting point. Indeed, why is everyone so obsessed with The Civil War? I wonder!


Because it was one of the largest traumas ever inflicted upon the American nation and people?
Just a guess. :nerdy:


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23 Nov 2019, 3:45 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Metal Rat wrote:

That is a very interesting point. Indeed, why is everyone so obsessed with The Civil War? I wonder!


Because it was one of the largest traumas ever inflicted upon the American nation and people?
Just a guess. :nerdy:


My guess would be that it's a vital part of the founding myth of the Nation.
Last week, the founder of extinction rebellion made a remark about the Holocaust, attempting to put it into a very bleak perspective of human atrocities. There are good reasons for his view (namely the death toll compared to other genocides, or the sheer attempt at genocide. There have been successful total genocides.), but there are also good reasons to view the Holocaust as a unique incident (namely the shaping of a whole society towards an attempt at genocide, the detached, modern/industrial approach. The fact that there existed careers in concentration camp architecture and logistics -it's a qualitative difference to other genocides). To Jewish people and to Germans it is definitely a unique event and part of each people's history, so German and Jewish officials and public people got quite offended that it was being 'diminished'.


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23 Nov 2019, 3:54 pm

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I have never met another white person who has expressed their hatred of white people


I have, my 6th grade teacher was such a person.



These people have the be the minority I wonder if they have some sort of mental illness.


I don't think it's hard to believe that some white peoole might come to hate their own race when they're told about the many atrocious things that European settlers have done to other races around the world. Like genocide, slavery, stealing land from indiginous people, oppressing minorities, etc.

I'll be honest sometimes I actually DO feel ashamed of being white, not that I hate all white people and think that they deserve to be punished just for being white. I mean we're all human. :|


I'm not ashamed OR proud to be white, or male, or Aspie. I didn't contribute to it.

There are things I'm ashamed about, though.
Just how many of the advances and luxuries I enjoy in my part if the world are historically linked to colonialism and neocolonialism...
So many things I own exist only through slave labour and exploitation - yet, I don't really have a choice whether I use certain things or not. There famously is no fair-trade phone, only a less exploitative one.
I'm ashamed that that's the best the culture I live in can do. But then, so much of the exploitation isn't even under the control of my culture, but is an effect of power relations from two hundred years ago.

Yet, at the sane time, I honestly don't think flooding the Congo with reparations will result in strong Coltan-mining labour unions anytime soon.


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23 Nov 2019, 4:40 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Metal Rat wrote:

That is a very interesting point. Indeed, why is everyone so obsessed with The Civil War? I wonder!


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Who says "everyone is obsessed with the Civil War?".

Utter nonsense.

White southerners are obsessed with it. Very few Americans in the north ever think about the American Civil after the Eleventh Grade in high school. :lol:



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23 Nov 2019, 5:51 pm

Any privilege can be a deficit and any deficit, can be a privilege.

I had learning disabilities and kids, teachers, parents made fun of me , that made so desperately want to be smart. So, I got a college education.


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23 Nov 2019, 9:45 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Metal Rat wrote:

That is a very interesting point. Indeed, why is everyone so obsessed with The Civil War? I wonder!


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Who says "everyone is obsessed with the Civil War?".

Utter nonsense.

White southerners are obsessed with it. Very few Americans in the north ever think about the American Civil after the Eleventh Grade in high school. :lol:


That's only partially true.
It's a war that attracts more interest than some other wars, even outside of the US south. That said, it's probably fair to suggest the core of the people who are fixated on it are white southerners and white southerner diaspora.


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26 Nov 2019, 12:03 pm

Sometimes I even wonder: do children get teased because they have Asperger Syndrome; or conversely, do they develop Asperger Syndrome after being teased a lot? I often suspect the latter to be the case. But, I do not really know for sure!



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26 Nov 2019, 12:51 pm

People are, actually, usually born with Asperger's, or with autism in general.



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26 Nov 2019, 1:08 pm

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People are, actually, usually born with Asperger's, or with autism in general.

I beg to differ.



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26 Nov 2019, 1:11 pm

Symptoms don't usually become apparent before toddlerhood----so it might seem as if the person just "got" autism in toddlerhood.



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26 Nov 2019, 1:46 pm

Metal Rat wrote:
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People are, actually, usually born with Asperger's, or with autism in general.

I beg to differ.


Okay. So you are porposing a radical paradigm shift.

you're saying that is assumed that kids are born with autism, and that causes them to be teased.

But you're saying its the other way around - that teasing causes autism.

But how would that be possible?

Either A) some kids get teased more than others, and the ones that get teased more would develop autism., or

B)Everybody gets teased as a kid, and (atleast initially) everyone gets teased the same amount, but SOME react to this same amount of teasing by...developing autism while others do not.

So if its A (more teasing) then there must already be something about the kids who go on to become autistic who are different from other kids which causes them to get teased more.

If its B(same amount of teasing, but different response) then there must be something about the kids who respond to the same amount of teasing that makes them more sensitive to teasing that causes them to become autistic.

So either way it cant be the teasing by itself that's causing it. There must already be something distinct about the child.



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27 Nov 2019, 4:03 am

I suppose bullying can cause someone to have trust issues, give them social issues where they will have troubles making friends and relating to people but it won't be Asperger's. It's the other way around. Kids are cruel so they will make fun of the child for being different and it has to do with what kids are taught at home. If you as the parent are always judging people for petty things like what car they drive, how they act, what they have on, etc. your kids learn there is something wrong with being different so they think different=bad. So folks that is why we have kids bullying other kids for being different and why autistic kids are often targeted and those who are just socially awkward or have outside interests and are eccentric. Then parents are often surprised that their kid is a bully because "I didn't teach my kid to be that way." No you may not have told your kid it's okay to bully others but your judgment sure taught your child that being different is bad. Kids learn through watching and you are their teacher. You teach them by modeling good behavior for them how you want them to act. Want your kid to be tolerant and accepting, you teach them by treating all humans the same regardless of what gender or race they are or disability or if they are not following the social norm. You also don't make a big deal about anything that is different. Your kid then learns everyone is human and equal. They will be free from any bias. The only downside to that is your kid then becomes naive about marginalized groups and won't see race and some people also call that being racist go figure because how dare you not see people for their skin color. :roll:

And this is exactly why the marginalized groups are challenging us about privileges and screaming why it's so important we notice race in people and why we shall see people as their sexuality and stuff.


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28 Nov 2019, 3:15 am

Well, it was worth a try. I had a very unhappy childhood, though. One I cannot help but remember. For years, I had flashbacks of it!



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28 Nov 2019, 7:13 am

My childhood sucked pretty much, too.

But it wasn’t traumatizing in a PTSD sense. Just run of the mill bullying and loneliness. Lots of bitchiness sent my way.

The sexual abuse happened at 18



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28 Nov 2019, 8:19 am

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My childhood sucked pretty much, too.

But it wasn’t traumatizing in a PTSD sense. Just run of the mill bullying and loneliness. Lots of bitchiness sent my way.

The sexual abuse happened at 18

I suppose, I simply had a good memory!