The REAL reason for the Climate Crisis

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I don't think freedom is locking up someone who hasn't been charged, tried and sentenced. My comment was in response to the OP thinking it's a good idea to lock up rich people so they can't get away. I don't see any difference in that and zoo keepers. If one person looses their rights to please the majority, it won't be long until it will happen again to someone else.

I don't like strange people. I wouldn't like strange people if I had everything money can buy (which I don't). I would never ask to sleep in someone's house, I wouldn't want anyone sleeping in my house. To me, that would be torture, though I do get what you're saying. But, please remember that you are telling it to someone who values solitude.

To me, solitude is freedom. There are a very select few people in my life and I want it to stay that way. Locking up a rich person to make sure their money goes to my country might one day result in me being forced into some sort of commune. In which case, I'd rather be dead. I can get lost now. I could conceivably never use my social security number again. I haven't applied for any sort of credit in almost 14 years. My credit rating is back to zero. That is freedom to me. The only proof I'm alive is voting and health insurance.

Rich, poor, middle-class. Nobody should leave the country without permission.

Just to make things clear, I'm not saying you shouldn't be free to go around - inside your country.
Actually as evident in my other thread about Freedom/Liberty, I want 100 % freedom for everybody (serious criminals except of course) including the right to say "no thanks" to work, and abolish all sorts of civil duties - from conscription to Jury Duty, all civil work-duties should be abolished.

That's more freedom than you could ever dream about having in a country where your only freedom is the right to move abroad.

Not even on holiday? Or would you differentiate between tourists and those wanting to spend at least 3 months or more abroad? That sounds like a freedom infringement.

I suppose holidays are OK.

If they leave for 3 months or more without permission and without a legal excuse for not returning after, say a year or more, their property and money will be confiscated.

Can you just re-read that and confirmthat its what you wanted to say?
I'm lost again...

I don't get it. We are here discussing these things, thats a freedom, beyond just being able to travel.

I’ll be retiring soon, and have already made plans to transfer a portion of my wealth overseas (where I’m having a house built), where the basic necessities — albeit more expensive than most natives can afford — are much less expensive than they are in my own country.

This is possible because I currently live in a country that is neither socialist-controlled, nor run by Stalinist tyrants.

One of the few things where I agree with Thinkinginpictures is about freedom from jury duty. I wouldn't like to live in a country where I was called up to participate in a jury, such as in the US. Although I suppose it's possible to get exempted on a number of grounds.

O/T

Splitting families is never kool, man.

the banking overlords and their multinational tax evading troublemakers (wars for their profit, deaths for the taxpayers) found another algorithm to squeeze the peasants' eternal sin of existence further than ever before


the (indexed) saw the flaws and covered these up with replacing 'sustainable' as 'diversity' restricted to the limited diversity of anthropocentric tunnelfunnel to the lowest common denominator
while poisoning your future dead into toxic waste because of gross domestic product points to be had

Does the name "Joseph Mengele" mean anything to you?


Animals/insects follow their genetic coding to survive, and there is almost exclusively no malice in their behaviour.
Humans, well some/many of them, are consciously aware of their brutality/inhumanity.

It's the idea of the Berlin Wall that was good (read: constructing a wall so nobody gets out, my idea is to construct a similar wall serving the purpose of taxing the citizens more so we can pay for the climate technologies).

Not how it was carried out in reality.

I'm sure if the Soviet Union and DDR wasn't such a bad place to live in, the wall would have had a more positive reputation.

People were clambering to get out of a communist system,
Hence the need to stop "The Human Bleed" out of East Berlin via "The Wall".
Bad analogy, dude.

Communism/Socialism is not a great political philosophy if you value individuality/self-determination, btw.

I'm no communist. I do value some socialist ideas though, such as welfare benefits, but without the requirements of work.

Problem is that welfare costs money. So do climate technologies. If we are to invest in climate technology on a national scale, you have two options:

1. Increase taxation.
2. Decrease welfare expenditures.

As I don't want no.2 to happen, you'll have to increase taxes, but when you increase taxes people will leave the country. Hence the idea of a wall.

Gonna be difficult to keep the rich within the confines of that wall. They won't be happy not being able to follow the crowds on the international circuits anymore...You'll need some armed guards, some searchlights and surveillance equipment... it will more and more resemble a prison camp with mansions instead of cells!

It is, of course, preferable to build bridges rather than walls. But I understand your reasoning.

No need for that. The wall could even be a "digital wall", if everything goes well.
A law is all that is required.

You only need to confiscate/nationalize their wealth/property/companies if they haven't returned.

After all, you can't take your mansion and entire company with you. Furthermore, to ensure nobody transfers large amounts of money out of the country, you can only transfer less than X euro/dollars/whatever amount in whatever currency, from your bank account when not in the country. AI could check for suspecious activity when you transfer huge amounts of money to a foreign bank account.

That way, nobody leaves the country without returning. And you can tax the rich to pay for the climate investments.

Isn't it too late to stop the climate crisis? Perhaps we should be asking ourselves not how to stop it but how to survive it.