Will antichrist celebrate Christmas?

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Actually, the area around Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Nazareth CAN get hot----but the average high in Jerusalem in July is 83, and the average low is 66. Quite similar to LA.

It's very similar to the Mediterranean climate of California, actually. California, especially inland, can get VERY hot.

The coast of Israel is certainly Mediterranean in climate.

I went to Birthright trip in 2006. It was actually quite memorable since the first day of the trip coincided with the first day of the war between Israel and Lebanon. In any case, it was a lot hotter than that. So hot that the tour guides were instructing us how to handle it. Like some guys wanted to pour water on their heads to cool off and they were told ``no, you are basically boiling water on your head and can get even hotter".

It was an anomalous heat.

Sure, it can get hot. But the average is very similar to New York and LA. LA, on average, is actually cooler than New York in the summer. You have many days in the 70's in LA, owing to the seabreeze. In New York, a maximum temperature below 80 is very infrequent in July.

LA might actually be drier than Jerusalem in the summer. It RARELY gets rain from June to September. The average is about 0.01 inch or so for those three months.

Thats surprising. My mom told me that her distant relatives who live in Israel have air conditioning non-stop and they basically run from one air conditioned room to the next.

In any case, the winters in NY are cold with snow from what I heard (I only been to NY for few days in the summer to attend my mom's friends wedding so I don't have first hand knowledge). The winters in LA, on the other hand, are warm. So then -- based on what you said about Israeli winter -- it would be LA rather than NY?

My point was that the real deal Christ guy would tell you that his birth day doesn't mean jack. Easter is more important. The Resurrection is more important than the birth. And even within the less important birthday holiday of Xmas - don't forget that there are 12 days of Xmas- the birth date (day one)is not as important as the Epiphany (day 12). But the whole 12 days don't matter anyway because its all Pagan.

But you're right that there is no evidence he was actually born on, or even near, Dec 25. The date is Pagan, and now... the Pagans (and Madison Ave)are reclaiming it. Lol! And the Jews have to conform to the Gentile culture by elevating the minor holiday of Hannukka to being a major "Jewish Christmas" holiday to compete. So Jews and Christians alike have been drawn into the Pagan vortex of the season! The Antichrist would applaud it. The real Christ would be appalled. and would go against the grain of the Holiday season. Or ...someone might argue that.



That is true that there is nothing in the Bible about Chanukka.

The Old Testament starts at the Creation (4000 BC) and ends abruptly at 400 BC. And then the New Testament starts with the Birth of Christ at the year one: meaning that there is four century gaping hole in history left by the Bible called "intertestament Period". The events celebrated in Channukka have to do with the Jews fighting Greek conquerors (successors to Alexander the Great) during that Intertestament period.

It's cooler than LA in the winter in Jerusalem----by about 10 degrees Fahrenheit on average.

Jerusalem gets some snow flurries every year, and a snowstorm once a decade. But the AVERAGE is in the high 50's by day, and the high 30's by night.

In LA, it's in the upper 60's by day, and the upper 40's by night. Accumulating snow is a once-in-a-century occurrence there. It can, very easily, get up to 90 degrees even in January. It's quite rare for it to get below 40.

In New York, the average high is in the upper 30's in January, and the average low is in the mid 20's. Snowfall is usually moderate, occasionally heavy. Rain mixed with snow is very frequent. In 2010-2011, snow was on the ground straight from late December to early March---but, usually, snow cover doesn't last more than a couple of weeks at a time. You can have days in the 50's and 60's in New York in the winter. But you can also have days which don't get out of the teens. In general, New York is much colder than Jerusalem or LA.

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To answer OP's question; yes I will be celebrating a secular Yuletide this year.

I agree that Easter is more important than Christmas, that Christ probably wasn't born on Christmas, and that December 25th had probably been chosen to help ease pagan converts into the faith. That said, I doubt God minds us celebrating his Son's birthday on any day.

Now you see why I am so bitter? To me its a *luxury* if someone "invites" me somewhere. If I look at the past three years and try to remember when people invited me, the only examples that come to mind are

a) My mom's friends invite my mom somewhere, and they also invite me as well since I am part of her family

b) I get group message regarding a Bible study

c) I am being invited to go hiking with my Bible study group -- well, everyone else in that group got invited too

d) Someone invited me to attend his engagement party. I didn't go because it would only make me bitter about the fact that I am still single. But, in any case, that invite wasn't personal either: it was a generic card that he was probably sending to lots of people

e) Three years ago, the guy mentioned above invited me to go hiking with his friends. I would say that would be the only invite that actually counts -- but he never invited me ever since

The point I am trying to make is that nobody ever invites me, personally anywhere at all. And to me it was normal. Yet now I read that actually its horrible. So you see just how badly I had it, since I was conditioned to accept as normal something thats horrible? So do you now see why -- on some of the other threads -- I talk about being pushy with people? Its because I feel mistreated all the time!

YHWH is a jealous god, I assume Christmas is the day he draft the year's disaster schedule.

Technically, Christmas is a 12-day event, hence the song “The 12 Days of Christmas”. Dec. 25 (or other day of your choice) is day 1.

Jehovah’s Witnesses read and study the whole Bible, but they certainly align their doctrine with a few key scriptures and overlook others. There’s an awful lot of cherry-picking going on. They also have their own biased translation of the Bible which alters some scriptures to make them conform to their specific beliefs.



They will drop you in a heartbeat. The love is entirely conditional. It’s like the “love” shown by someone who’s trying to sell a car. Such “love” is not worth a whole lot in my book. Quit going to their Kingdom Halls for a couple weeks or do something they disapprove of and the “love” shown to you will instantly dry up. Been there! After two weeks of no attendance, I was cut off from all the social stuff.





Mainstream society is NOT controlling in the same way that a cult is. Cult expectations are much more stringent for example preaching is a requirement and they actively shun people who leave or “sin.”





You don’t know what you’re talking about here. Imagine being shunned by family members. Imagine running into those individuals in a grocery store. You say “hi” to them, but they don’t respond and turn and look away. That is what shunning is. Shunning also pushes parents (who are naturally kind and empathetic) to kick their 18 year old kid out of the house and cut off all contact with him simply because he disagrees with their faith.

I’m a socially isolated Aspie. The scars that come from losing one’s friends and family completely is on a whole other level than the difficulty I have with making friends. It’s compounded by the fact that JWs are fairly insular and discourage forming close friendships with outsiders. So when members leave, they have no friendships (like many of us), but they also have no familial support whatsoever.

It’s insensitive to discount the trauma shunning causes.





They tend to be good students in school although they resist learning about evolution when they can which creates some problems in science overall.

They also tend to have weak critical thinking skills because they have to accept so much ignorant dogma.

Once again, JWs know their interpretation of the Bible well, but it involves cherry-picking a couple chapters worth of key scriptures and overlooking many others.





It might actually be worse per capita than the Catholic Church. I, personally, know several victims and there have been numerous lawsuits involving vast sums of money launched at the Watchtower because the Watchtower continually fails to cooperate with the government when it comes to providing evidence.

They’ve dealt with such crimes internally to avoid scandal and giving a “bad witness” and have, thus, created many more victims.

They don’t want to turn people away from “the Truth” so they’ve most often kept the heinous crimes a secret.





They believe that the man is the head of the household and should make all the decisions. The wife should be submissive. They only approve of separation when it’s “extreme physical abuse” to the point where the individual’s life is in danger. They’ve had various articles on this and have praised wives for staying in abusive marriages.

There’s certainly a lot more on this but this post is already getting so long.





The Bible hasn’t held up to scrutiny, either, but if it did, JWs get some things wrong.





Yep, a very small town in rural PA. There’s a tiny Seventh Day Adventist Church across the street from me which about ten people seem to go to. It’s weird. The message that the pastor changes on the sign weekly often doesn’t make sense and/or doesn’t go with the cited scripture. I suspect that the pastor has mental problems.

Does anyone really celebrate Christmas or is it just another excuse to get drunk and spend time being nice to people who you normally hate for the rest of the year.

I'm neither pro or anti christ but I welcome a two week break from work.

I can't see any reason why antichrist wouldn't have a nice time during this time of year. It's got f**k all to do with the little baby jesus anyway.