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I'm late to the party but I'd like to ask for clarification on something: do "disadvantaged" or minority students actually get extra credits/points anywhere? How exactly does it work?

I've never heard of this, here we offer financial support and other similar accommodations.

Sorry, it's in Polish, but yes.
https://gospodarka.dziennik.pl/praca/ar ... unkty.html - 15 points of maximum 100 for being a woman when applying for startup dotations
https://innpoland.pl/157301,kielecki-ur ... gramowania - 5 points of 30 for being a woman on a city-funded programming course

Just the cases that made it to the press. What high school teachers do (oh, let's pass her, after all, she's a girl...) doesn't.

Wow, I had no idea whatsoever - is this only for applying as an attempt to encourage them to join? I'll have to check if they do anything like this here, maybe I just don't know about it.

I just asked my daughter what she thinks, as she wants to study Maths when she goes to University. Her answer was too rude to post here but amounted to her calling such things "condescending and misogynistic". She's very ambitious and hard-working; she seemed mortaly offended by the idea of getting extra points for being a girl.

Thanks, magz.

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I think this is really bad (yeah, I know it happens). It can either undermine kids' confidence in their skills or give them the idea that they can get a free pass all the time. It's usually the approach of "one size fits all" of teaching that makes a lot of kids struggle with certain disciplines, but of course it's expensive and difficult to change that.

Probably it is an attempt to encourage more diversity. I am against that form of encouraging it. Just be respectful and fair, maybe help with logistics when needed but don't do this.

So am I. Cheers to your daughter, I wish her best in doing what she likes!

I see things in a similar light. Many European countries are trying to deal with inequality through a better welfare system that tries to ensure children have their basic needs covered regardless of their parents' situation and access to good and free education. There are also programs for gifted children and young people, along with accommodations for those coming from a modest background.

Thank you

It's a silly thing here but whenever our bureaucrats do something stupid they claim it's because of "EU regulations". The practices I described are no exception.
I guess it's the local beaurocratic culture of "ass-saving" - it doesn't need to make sense as long as the papers are in perfect order. I don't really know how to possibly change this attitude for the better.

As for the welfare system - I find free high quality education and basic accommodations valuable. My position is strange here because I come from a higly educated family hovering about the poverty threshold - something not really stable in more capitalistic societes.

And a lot of (Western) countries assign blame to the EU for all kind of unpopular practices too

I understand where you're coming from - I have quite a few close friends (probably closer to your parents' age than yours) who grew up behind the Wall and I'm familiar with the culture and for lack of a better name the different class system.

It's just much better IMO to try to make up for financial and other handicaps kids have early on and offer them more opportunities to develop their skills, instead of giving free/unearned credits. And while I am a white male born in a first world country, I'm also someone who grew up in the system and had to work both through high-school and University to feed myself. I would have appreciated some financial support or a free place to stay, that's for sure. The only way I managed to build a career and a good life despite my horrible childhood and youth was working very hard toward professional achievement and I was grateful for teachers and colleagues who took the time to actually teach me things and give me concrete guidance. It can be very insulting for those who actually come from difficult backgrounds to be treated as if they need an intellectual leg up.

Removing obstacles is much more difficult and costly than lowering expectations.