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05 Jun 2020, 10:16 pm

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Who cares? He's an idiot and I hope the US has the good sense to wave goodbye to him at the end of the year.


It seems like the Democrats are dedicated to undermining their chances of winning.

Right now America's best hope is that Trump and Biden both catch coronavirus, are briefly mourned and both parties have to come up with new candidates.


If, for whatever reason, both parties had to come up with the 2nd choice for Pres, who would it actually be on the Reps side?



This is a good question that I regret missing, although I'm not sure. That's actually true for both, Bernie seems like the default second choice, but the Democratic Party would f**k him in an uncomfortable place (and I don't mean the backseat of a Volkswagen).


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05 Jun 2020, 10:23 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Who cares? He's an idiot and I hope the US has the good sense to wave goodbye to him at the end of the year.


It seems like the Democrats are dedicated to undermining their chances of winning.

Right now America's best hope is that Trump and Biden both catch coronavirus, are briefly mourned and both parties have to come up with new candidates.


If, for whatever reason, both parties had to come up with the 2nd choice for Pres, who would it actually be on the Reps side?



This is a good question that I regret missing, although I'm not sure. That's actually true for both, Bernie seems like the default second choice, but the Democratic Party would f**k him in an uncomfortable place (and I don't mean the backseat of a Volkswagen).


Interestingly enough, Trump has a lot of respect for Bernie. Although I can relate to it. I like both of them for being "unconventional".



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06 Jun 2020, 8:09 am

QFT wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tross wrote:
Who cares? He's an idiot and I hope the US has the good sense to wave goodbye to him at the end of the year.


It seems like the Democrats are dedicated to undermining their chances of winning.

Right now America's best hope is that Trump and Biden both catch coronavirus, are briefly mourned and both parties have to come up with new candidates.


If, for whatever reason, both parties had to come up with the 2nd choice for Pres, who would it actually be on the Reps side?



This is a good question that I regret missing, although I'm not sure. That's actually true for both, Bernie seems like the default second choice, but the Democratic Party would f**k him in an uncomfortable place (and I don't mean the backseat of a Volkswagen).


Interestingly enough, Trump has a lot of respect for Bernie. Although I can relate to it. I like both of them for being "unconventional".


While I find Trump quite reprehensible, I understand for a lot of his supporters the fact that he at least pretends to care about them is almost enough, if he follows through on a small number of things even better, and if he ruffles establishment and liberal feathers that's one for their cap (a feather).

I don't know if the Democratic establishment are stupid or the Washington Generals but at times I feel like they're not even actually interested in representing progressive views and basically are taking advantage of progressives in the same way as the other groups that might feel that way.


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06 Jun 2020, 11:51 am

The platform Joe Biden is running on is full of social democratic ideas that the party wouldn’t have considered in 2012. Free college, universal healthcare, etc.

“Progressives” (really, social democrats and socialists - lots of them aren’t progressive at all) are a small part of the party but have disproportionate influence on the policies. It’s just that moderates, and particularly non-whites, prefer moderate politicians.

Biden’s running to the left of Hillary but lots of her radical liberal ideas have been ditched, like her autism plan. Oh well. Hillary was great but Biden is still very good and is going to win the election.



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06 Jun 2020, 1:22 pm

Hilary had an Autism plan...?


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06 Jun 2020, 1:29 pm

If he picked Gabbard, he might have a shot at winning, but that ain't happening. They'd rather Trump get a second term than put an anti-establishment on the ballot.


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06 Jun 2020, 1:33 pm

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Biden’s running to the left of Hillary but lots of her radical liberal ideas have been ditched, like her autism plan. Oh well. Hillary was great but Biden is still very good and is going to win the election.


Oh, man, that's some funny s**t, thanks for the laugh.

Biden and Hillary are neoliberal, well right of center, pieces of corporate Democrat shite! Correction: Since neither ever met a war that didn't make them cream their shirts, that makes them neoconservative.


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06 Jun 2020, 3:19 pm

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The platform Joe Biden is running on is full of social democratic ideas that the party wouldn’t have considered in 2012. Free college, universal healthcare, etc.

It's like when a Republican promises you smaller government, lower taxes, and to stop illegal immigration.

You know they're lieing badly.


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06 Jun 2020, 5:46 pm

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Hilary had an Autism plan...?

Scientists, advocates hail Hillary Clinton’s autism plan
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Hillary Clinton made political history last week by proposing a plan to ramp up autism research and services as part of her presidential bid.

Previous campaign discussions about autism have hyped fears of an autism epidemic or even resurrected the long-debunked vaccine link. By contrast, Clinton’s plan emphasizes research and services that may help those in need.

Clinton’s proposal backs the American Academy of Pediatrics’ recommendation that young children be routinely screened for autism, rejecting the stance of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, an independent panel of medical experts, that there is insufficient evidence to support routine screening. If elected, she promises to launch a national outreach campaign to boost early screening rates, focusing on families that are traditionally underserved by healthcare.

Clinton also proposed a so-called ‘Autism Works Initiative’ to increase employment and housing opportunities for adults with autism. The initiative would help develop transition plans for teenagers with autism as they prepare to leave the structured supports of the school system. It would also foster public-private partnerships to establish meaningful work opportunities for adults with autism.

In addition, Clinton stated her commitment to “significantly increase” research funding for autism. The proposal specifically mentions efforts to uncover autism’s complex genetic roots and calls for the first ever U.S. prevalence study of adults with autism.


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07 Dec 2020, 2:53 am

Trump is a radical through and through.

There is nothing at all Conservative about Trump. He is nothing but the leader of a personality cult.

I never did consider Trump qualified to be President. After seeing his behavior since the election, I think that it is dangerous to have him as President. Anyone who craves power as much as Trump should never be trusted with power.



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07 Dec 2020, 6:54 am

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Trump is a radical through and through.

There is nothing at all Conservative about Trump. He is nothing but the leader of a personality cult.

I never did consider Trump qualified to be President. After seeing his behavior since the election, I think that it is dangerous to have him as President. Anyone who craves power as much as Trump should never be trusted with power.

Agree with most of the above.

I don't think Trump is more power-hungry than other politicians that go about obtaining power in more traditional ways.


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07 Dec 2020, 9:21 am

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If he picked Gabbard, he might have a shot at winning, but that ain't happening. They'd rather Trump get a second term than put an anti-establishment on the ballot.

One of the many predictions on here about 2020 that turns out to be well wide of the mark.

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Biden’s running to the left of Hillary but lots of her radical liberal ideas have been ditched, like her autism plan. Oh well. Hillary was great but Biden is still very good and is going to win the election.


Oh, man, that's some funny s**t, thanks for the laugh.

Biden and Hillary are neoliberal, well right of center, pieces of corporate Democrat shite! Correction: Since neither ever met a war that didn't make them cream their shirts, that makes them neoconservative.

I wish Biden was a neoliberal. Unfortunately he’s a social Democrat these days. Better than Trump and Bernie but nowhere near Hillary’s level of based.

That’s not what a neoconservative is. Neoconservativism is a conservative ideology that defines itself in opposition to 60s liberalism, it is distinct from a liberal hawk. And in any case, Biden’s opposition to the Gulf War is well documented, he’s far too dovish and too disinterested in the Middle East to be a neocon.



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07 Dec 2020, 9:40 am

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If he picked Gabbard, he might have a shot at winning, but that ain't happening. They'd rather Trump get a second term than put an anti-establishment on the ballot.


I never heard of Gabbard. Who is he? And in your hypothetical, were you talking about him being Trump's running mate or Biden's?

In any case, I am confused by your contrast between Trump and anti-establishment. I thought Trump is the one who is anti-establishment, while Hillary and Biden are both part of establishment.



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07 Dec 2020, 10:10 am

I don't think Trump has any genuine political beliefs beyond (1) the barely-concealed racism that's common in the real estate industry and (2) the desire of many rich folks for lower taxes on the rich.

I strongly doubt that he genuinely cares about any other issues. I think he latched onto paleoconservativism as a way to appeal to white working-class voters, and he latched onto various religious right wing issues as a way to appeal to the religious right wing.

Trump used to be a Democrat for the simple reason that Democrats have dominated NYC for ages; hence being a Democrat puts someone in a better position to influence most NYC politicians. As a real estate developer, his business depended to a large degree on his ability to influence NYC politicians.


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07 Dec 2020, 12:54 pm

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I don't think Trump has any genuine political beliefs beyond (1) the barely-concealed racism that's common in the real estate industry and (2) the desire of many rich folks for lower taxes on the rich.


That's basically what modern American conservativism is. Blaming minorities for the economic problems of white people so they can cut taxes for the rich. Except for a small group of neocon elite who think Trump didn't bomb enough people, Trump is conservative in every way important to conservatives. Even the religious right loves him because he does what they want politically.



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07 Dec 2020, 12:57 pm

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If he picked Gabbard, he might have a shot at winning, but that ain't happening. They'd rather Trump get a second term than put an anti-establishment on the ballot.


I never heard of Gabbard. Who is he? And in your hypothetical, were you talking about him being Trump's running mate or Biden's?

In any case, I am confused by your contrast between Trump and anti-establishment. I thought Trump is the one who is anti-establishment, while Hillary and Biden are both part of establishment.



Tulsi Gabbard is a she. :wink:


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