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08 Dec 2020, 9:37 pm

i fear his moving the embassy to jerusalem will end badly.



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08 Dec 2020, 9:42 pm

The US recognising Israel? Israel wouldn't exist without American aid.

Actually I give Trump a zero for that one....so 0 out of 50



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08 Dec 2020, 9:44 pm

auntblabby wrote:
i fear his moving the embassy to jerusalem will end badly.
I believe that in the long run, it really will not matter, as I also believe that objections were raised more against any U.S. interest in Israeli affairs than in one specific act taken by the U.S. government -- that's just my opinion, however.


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08 Dec 2020, 10:56 pm

cyberdad wrote:
The US recognising Israel? Israel wouldn't exist without American aid.

Actually I give Trump a zero for that one....so 0 out of 50


I never said recognizing Israel. I said recognizing Jerusalem as it's capital. Israel was recognized by majority of world powers in 1948. Jerusalem was recognized as Israeli capital, by the USA, in 2017. Two completely separate events.

Trump was the president in 2017 so yes recognition of Jerusalem as the capital is due to Trump.

This also happened to be one of his campaign promises. Thus he fulfilled at least one of his promises.



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08 Dec 2020, 11:08 pm

On American tv, this man, who I call "Angry Lou" (Lou Dobbs) .. is on shouting every night.

"THE ELECTION IS BEING STOLEN"

"THEY'RE TELLING US TO GO TO HELL".

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08 Dec 2020, 11:12 pm

QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The US recognising Israel? Israel wouldn't exist without American aid.

Actually I give Trump a zero for that one....so 0 out of 50


I never said recognizing Israel. I said recognizing Jerusalem as it's capital. Israel was recognized by majority of world powers in 1948. Jerusalem was recognized as Israeli capital, by the USA, in 2017. Two completely separate events.

Trump was the president in 2017 so yes recognition of Jerusalem as the capital is due to Trump.

This also happened to be one of his campaign promises. Thus he fulfilled at least one of his promises.


My point is that its a promise that has no repurcussions as i) Trump already hated muslims ii) His son-in law is Jewish and iii) The PLO and Hamas offer no threat to the US.

If anything it was a kick in the guts to the peace process which reminds me of his pulling troops from Iraq leaving the US allies the Kurds to fend for themselves. So not credit/points there.



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08 Dec 2020, 11:34 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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He has no policies, he promised many things but never delivered one. Even his crazy wall.


He delivered the promise regarding moving US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.


As opposed to replacing Obamacare with something "YUUUGE!" Or actually building that idiot wall, and getting Mexico to pay for it. Or winning a trade war with China. The list is virtually endless.


Well 1 out of 50 ain't bad :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ! !!


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08 Dec 2020, 11:36 pm

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On American tv, this man, who I call "Angry Lou" (Lou Dobbs) .. is on shouting every night.

"THE ELECTION IS BEING STOLEN"

"THEY'RE TELLING US TO GO TO HELL".

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He ought to be called Straightjacket Lou!


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09 Dec 2020, 12:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
On American tv, this man, who I call "Angry Lou" (Lou Dobbs) .. is on shouting every night.

"THE ELECTION IS BEING STOLEN"

"THEY'RE TELLING US TO GO TO HELL".

Image


He ought to be called Straightjacket Lou!


Sour grapes Lou....he was made redundant from CNN so he hates the mainstream media...



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09 Dec 2020, 1:04 am

cyberdad wrote:
QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The US recognising Israel? Israel wouldn't exist without American aid.

Actually I give Trump a zero for that one....so 0 out of 50


I never said recognizing Israel. I said recognizing Jerusalem as it's capital. Israel was recognized by majority of world powers in 1948. Jerusalem was recognized as Israeli capital, by the USA, in 2017. Two completely separate events.

Trump was the president in 2017 so yes recognition of Jerusalem as the capital is due to Trump.

This also happened to be one of his campaign promises. Thus he fulfilled at least one of his promises.


My point is that its a promise that has no repurcussions as i) Trump already hated muslims ii) His son-in law is Jewish and iii) The PLO and Hamas offer no threat to the US.

If anything it was a kick in the guts to the peace process which reminds me of his pulling troops from Iraq leaving the US allies the Kurds to fend for themselves. So not credit/points there.


First, lets make it clear what question we are discussing. There are two separate questions:

1) Did Trump fulfill *any* of his promises at all (regardless of whether they are good or bad ones)

2) Did Trump fulfill any of the "good" promisses

Are we talking about 1, or are we talking about 2?

Now, in your previous response you said

cyberdad wrote:
He has no policies, he promised many things but never delivered one. Even his crazy wall


So the part ``even his crazy wall" suggests that you are talking about question 1 rather than question 2.

Well, if we are talking about question 1, then yes he fulfilled at least one promise: the one about Jerusalem.

If you are saying the Jerusalem thing was no good, then you are switching from question 1 to question 2. Thats why I asked, which of these two questions are you discussing?



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09 Dec 2020, 1:16 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
On American tv, this man, who I call "Angry Lou" (Lou Dobbs) .. is on shouting every night.

"THE ELECTION IS BEING STOLEN"

"THEY'RE TELLING US TO GO TO HELL".

Image


He ought to be called Straightjacket Lou!


Sour grapes Lou....he was made redundant from CNN so he hates the mainstream media...


I recall very well when he used to work for CNN. Sour grapes Lou, indeed!


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09 Dec 2020, 1:41 am

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So the part ``even his crazy wall" suggests that you are talking about question 1 rather than question 2.

Well, if we are talking about question 1, then yes he fulfilled at least one promise: the one about Jerusalem.

If you are saying the Jerusalem thing was no good, then you are switching from question 1 to question 2. Thats why I asked, which of these two questions are you discussing?


Ok so I was being facetious (yes he promised and he went through with it) but because its a decision outside of the US with no repurcussions to domestic politics I feel its an easy field goal to kick and not much of an achievement.



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09 Dec 2020, 1:49 am

cyberdad wrote:
QFT wrote:
So the part ``even his crazy wall" suggests that you are talking about question 1 rather than question 2.

Well, if we are talking about question 1, then yes he fulfilled at least one promise: the one about Jerusalem.

If you are saying the Jerusalem thing was no good, then you are switching from question 1 to question 2. Thats why I asked, which of these two questions are you discussing?


Ok so I was being facetious (yes he promised and he went through with it) but because its a decision outside of the US with no repurcussions to domestic politics I feel its an easy field goal to kick and not much of an achievement.


Why does being "outside the US" implies its "easy"? In some sense it is the opposite. Because with moving the capital to Jerusalem he encountered a lot of international opposition; but as far as the wall, there wouldn't be any international opposition (other than possibly from Mexico). Or are you saying that dealing with national opposition is more difficult than with international one?



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09 Dec 2020, 2:17 am

He promised to eliminate the national debt within 8 years, too.

Instead he added 7.75 Trillion Dollars to the national debt in 4 years - another scorched Earth mess he’s leaving behind on purpose for everyone else to have to clean up.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/ ... 682405001/


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09 Dec 2020, 2:22 am

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He promised to eliminate the national debt within 8 years, too.

Instead he added 7.75 Trillion Dollars to the national debt in 4 years - another scorched Earth mess he’s leaving behind on purpose for everyone else to have to clean up.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/ ... 682405001/


How is it "on purpose" if he is not wanting to get out of the office but rather is being forced to?



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09 Dec 2020, 2:31 am

QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
QFT wrote:
So the part ``even his crazy wall" suggests that you are talking about question 1 rather than question 2.

Well, if we are talking about question 1, then yes he fulfilled at least one promise: the one about Jerusalem.

If you are saying the Jerusalem thing was no good, then you are switching from question 1 to question 2. Thats why I asked, which of these two questions are you discussing?


Ok so I was being facetious (yes he promised and he went through with it) but because its a decision outside of the US with no repurcussions to domestic politics I feel its an easy field goal to kick and not much of an achievement.


Why does being "outside the US" implies its "easy"? In some sense it is the opposite. Because with moving the capital to Jerusalem he encountered a lot of international opposition; but as far as the wall, there wouldn't be any international opposition (other than possibly from Mexico). Or are you saying that dealing with national opposition is more difficult than with international one?


Ok so you seem to be avoiding the pertinent question which is none of his domestic promises were able to be delivered in the 4 years he was in power. Some of them were pretty lofty and never going to happen
1. Mexico agreeing to pay for the wall (yeah right)
2. Bring back jobs from China (unbelievably stupid)
3. Ban muslims and Africans (e.g. s**thole countries) while this would have pleased his white supporters and his chief strategist Steve "Adolph" Bannon, but Biden has promised to revoke this ban so it was flimsy to start of with.