Are people too self-righteous for refusing covid vaccines?

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If you've had anaphylactic shock, you'd have a right to be skeptical about taking the COVID vaccine.

Most people who have had anaphylactic shock come out okay when they take vaccines. And anaphylactic shock almost always is readily treated with epinephrine.

Therefore, if somebody states that they've had anaphylactic shock, I believe the CDC believes you should wait until more research has been done.

Most people will not be "eligible" for the vaccine until springtime, anyway. This gives us time for more research to be done pertaining to allergic reactions of the COVID vaccine.

As I outlined in another discussion, I think there's actually reasonable justification for having doubts about the vaccines. Out of necessity, it needed to be rushed out as quickly as possible, and I'm sure tests were conducted by many competent people, but everything moved at breakneck speeds, with only a fraction of the time for due process. In other words, we don't know what complications people could experience, keeping in mind that pre-existing conditions can be aggravated by whatever's in these injections, and there could be allergic reactions.

That said, those who are most susceptible to being killed by the virus, and those who work with such individuals, are effectively testing the vaccines for us. While that's a huge concern, such people are between a rock and a hard place, considering that getting COVID could be many times worse for them, or those they work with, than a bad reaction to a vaccine. It's not as if they're being held at gunpoint though. Well, I'm sure medical staff will inevitably be required to get vaccinated at some point if they want to continue working, but refusing is still technically an option.

In any case, by the time the vaccine is available to the rest of us, I think it will be plenty safe to take. But, having doubts at this point in time is beyond reasonable.

Oh okay, I thought that the virus was more of a cocern than the vaccine so you might as well take the lesser risk which is the vaccine.

I hope those who have to be given epinephrine and don't have insurance, don't get charged for it. EpiPens cost roughly $650 to $700 USD.

I hope everything is free that’s associated with the potential side effects of the vaccine.

It would be a big slam to the gut to be charged the above amount.

The internet is to blame. People spend so much time on the internet these days and that is where you read rumours and conspiracy theories that you don't know is true or not. Some things that people share do turn out to be true, most doesn't. So can you blame people for feeling apprehensive about taking the vaccine?
Also people say that vaccines usually take years to develop, and this vaccine has only taken a few months. You don't know what that could do to your body, long term.
And there's so much terrorism and conflict going on in this world, where a country wants power and so will discreetly kill people to get that power. What if the vaccine has some sort of radiation poisoning that takes months or even years to kill us? I do know that China (sorry, the Chinese government) let this disease out on purpose and are probably pissed that it only kills a small percent of people (compared to the vast global population) so these vaccines could be "plan B". Yes I am aware that the vaccines haven't come from China and have indeed come from the US, so that does make me feel a little eased but you still don't know.

I don't trust anything any more.

Did I ever say I would advocate lockdowns if 50% of the population gets vaccinated?

We, in NYC, are not in lockdown now—and I am glad.

Now you’re putting DRIVEL in my mouth that doesn’t exist.

You’re not being nice in debate when you do that. Why the snark?

Too much Effin Snark—not necessary......

Right now growth is exponential and in many locales hospitals are at or near the breaking point. New York saw exponential growth in March and April, a rapid decline to under 1 percent positive test rates and it stayed that way for months. Since October there has been a steady growth but not the exponential growth seen elsewhere. Then we saw a jump Saturday to Sunday from 5.9 percent to over 8 percent. That might be an indicator exponential growth is here followed by lockdown 2.0.

Mid January will be hell, but after that APEX the rates should ramp down quickly.

The percentage of people vaccinated will be over 50 percent because vaccinations will mandated in many locales to go to school, to keep or get a job or enter locations. There will be an app on your phone for proof. Even if they keep remote learning options you will have to pay a fee to finance it. Even assuming only 50 percent get vaccinated between that and so many people having anti bodies because they had COVID nothing more then mask wearing/social distancing will be warranted. There might be local spikes, the antibodies might lose their effectiveness, new strains etc requiring yearly vaccinations. The government will not be able to enforce crippling mitigation or even social distancing forever. Vaccinated people will say why should I self deny any longer because you refuse to vaccinate and anti vaxxers will continue to be anti vaxxers and continue to take risks. COVID will likely still be more contagious and more deadly then the flu but mitigation will be up to the individual. If you are vulnerable and there is a local outbreak and you think it is not hype you are going to have to lock yourself down because you will not be able to count on others to social distance or mask wear. Is that unfair, yes, maddening absolutely because that could have been prevented if 90+ percent of the people vaccinated.

The rush to get the vaccines out has apparently been considered by folk with a lot more medical expertise than I have and access to much more information than I have. They openly want to get the vaccines. I trust their medical expertise more than I trust mine (or yours).

Where things clearly were rushed is in the financial realm. Money was invested in production and distribution before they had finished the clinical studies. After small studies to verify it was safe they invested in expensive large clinical studies of effectiveness before they had results from less expensive, smaller studies of effectiveness to confirm that big studies might be worth the expense. Millions and millions of vaccines were ordered before the studies were complete--a gamble that they weren't buying millions and millions of very expensive but essentially useless bottles of waste chemicals.

Those were big financial gambles. We won the bets. It's time to collect our winnings.

Hmm, interesting ...

AstraZeneca acknowledges key mistake in vaccine trial
Error clouds vaccine results in shot contracted for millions of doses to Israel.
Tags: Vaccine Questions Experiment
Mordechai Sones , Nov 26 , 2020 11:15 AM | updated: 2:54 PM

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News ... spx/292028

I carry an epi-pen, it’s for yellow jackets.I also had a reaction to a few medications, so I’m not sure about getting vaccinated with a newer vaccine that was produced so quickly.
I’ve never had a reaction to the older ones,except for a sore arm after a tetanus booster.Better that than lock jaw.I don’t remember having a reaction to the small pox vaccine, just being lined up in kindergarten and getting shot in the arm with one of those gun looking things.