13 Jan 2021, 7:15 pm
I'll rest assured you are less informed than the FBI & DHS in that case.
You're saying thousands going directly from a Trump rally to a riot implies zero cause & effect. He could have told them to picket, he told them to march there.
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13 Jan 2021, 7:27 pm
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13 Jan 2021, 7:42 pm
Nobody but digital forensics people have any interest in how this was organized online because the evidence is world news. You don't need to investigate anything well known enough to be on everyone's headlines everywhere.
Two miles is not a particularly significant distance to walk. Supporters planned the attacks, as evidenced by the multitude of seized explosives. Trump would be the first to be informed of any violent intentions toward the capital, I have no doubt whatsoever that he was. There is no way you can logically divorce the presence of Trump from bombing attempts on his watch.
Given the intelligence resources of the presidency, this could not have been anything but a combination of hate speech & deliberate criminal negligence on behalf of Trump. Doubtless you will accuse democrats of starting it, as if diluting the truth honors pointless deaths.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
13 Jan 2021, 7:51 pm
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13 Jan 2021, 7:57 pm
I don't see the civil disobedience message in "fight like hell"...
If I asked anyone to do that, I'd be inciting a fight. Too bad I'm not a winner like Trump who's special enough to say it right.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
13 Jan 2021, 8:02 pm
13 Jan 2021, 8:07 pm
You seem to be looking for technicalities to exonerate a known terrorist leader.
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-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
13 Jan 2021, 8:09 pm
edit: Here is a link to the full speech transcript
Getting through that whole speech from start to finish sure was a chore. Most of the length came from extended rambling about fraud numbers which he seems to have pulled out of the air. These seem to be the most salient parts to me:
(Jiheisho did we just slog through that whole speech at the same time?)
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We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution.
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
What does 'cheer on' mean exactly in a world where this isn't incitement? Is he suggesting they surround the capitol and shout and threaten congress to doing what they want? That's about the most generous interpretation I can give for the other side and it's not great. What happens if congress didn't listen to their 'cheer's? Trump would just tell them to call it a day?
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You will have a president who lost all of these states, or you will have a president to put it another way, who was voted on by a bunch of stupid people who lost all of these things. You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen. These are the facts that you won’t hear from the fake news media. It’s all part of the suppression effort. They don’t want to talk about it.
Painting the incoming president as illegitimate with lies and falsehoods to an angry crowd is the work of either an inciter or a complete imbecile. Despite what seem to be his best efforts, Trump is not that much of an imbecile.
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We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created …
This is going to be the part that the apologists will cling to for dear life. This one word "peacefully" is going to be the rock the Trumpsters will fight and die on. Honestly, this is the best defense they have, but it's not much. You cannot point to a single "peacefully" and say that it negates the other ~10,000 words in this speech. This single word was the lone attempt Trump made in this massive, vitriolic, outrage-sowing speech to give himself a microscopic amount of plausible deniability. I subjected myself to the whole thing and this was the single, half-hearted mumble of "Calm!" drowned in an ocean of "FIGHT OR THEY WILL DESTROY EVERYTHING".
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I don’t care about Twitter. Twitter is bad news. They’re all bad news. But you know what? If you want to get out of message. And if you want to go through big tech, social media, they are really, if you’re a conservative, if you’re a Republican, if you have a big voice, I guess they call it shadow ban. Shadow ban. They shadow ban you and it should be illegal. I’ve been telling these Republicans get rid of Section 230.
And for some reason, Mitch and the group, they don’t want to put it in there. And they don’t realise that that’s going to be the end of the Republican party as we know it, but it’s never going to be the end of us, never. Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength. They also want to indoctrinate your children in school by teaching them things that aren’t so. They want to indoctrinate your children. It’s all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, ‘No.’ This crowd is again a testament to it.
And for some reason, Mitch and the group, they don’t want to put it in there. And they don’t realise that that’s going to be the end of the Republican party as we know it, but it’s never going to be the end of us, never. Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength. They also want to indoctrinate your children in school by teaching them things that aren’t so. They want to indoctrinate your children. It’s all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, ‘No.’ This crowd is again a testament to it.
'They will destroy the Republican party. They want to indoctrinate your children. They are assaulting the American people and democracy.' Is this crowd prepared to let those things happen? Would Congress counting the electoral votes in Biden's favor going to stop them? You know the answer and so did Trump.
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The radical left knows exactly what they’re doing. They’re ruthless and it’s time that somebody did something about it. And Mike Pence, I hope you’re going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. And if you’re not, I’m going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now.
Now what could that mean: "time that somebody did something about it"? I do wonder! Even a mafia boss knows not to spell out this kind of thing.
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They said, ‘It’s not American to challenge the election.’ This is the most corrupt election in the history, maybe of the world. You know, you could go third world countries, but I don’t think they had hundreds of thousands of votes and they don’t have voters for them. I mean, no matter where you go, nobody would think this. In fact, it’s so egregious, it’s so bad, that a lot of people don’t even believe it. It’s so crazy that people don’t even believe it. It can’t be true. So they don’t believe it. This is not just a matter of domestic politics, this is a matter of national security. So today, in addition to challenging the certification of the election, I’m calling on Congress and the state legislatures to quickly pass sweeping election reforms, and you better do it before we have no country left. Today is not the end. It’s just the beginning.
More lies about the election. If you made a drinking game with this speech for every time he lies or tells falsehoods about the election you'd be dead in 2 minutes.
Now he says it is a matter of national security. We need to challenge the election. If we don't fix the elections then you won't have a country left. I can see them frothing at the mouth now.
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And I had Brian Kemp, he weighs 130 pounds. He said he played offensive line in football. I’m trying to figure that. I’m still trying to figure that out. He said that the other night, ‘I was an offensive lineman.’ I’m saying, ‘Really? That must’ve been a really small team.’ But I look at that and I look at what’s happened, and he turned out to be a disaster. This stuff happens.
I had to include this.
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