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04 Feb 2021, 8:44 am

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In the day and age of Google, Youtube, loads of books on Amazon, etc. it's sort of a foolish question, at least for anyone who can think their way through anything on their own.

Not really. One can be lead in many directions and get no where.

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04 Feb 2021, 9:02 am

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Not really. One can be lead in many directions and get no where.

That's where there's no work-around for hard work. You have to understand the subjects involved well enough to make sense of them.

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04 Feb 2021, 9:13 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

In the day and age of Google, Youtube, loads of books on Amazon, etc. it's sort of a foolish question, at least for anyone who can think their way through anything on their own.

Anyone who can think their way through anything on their own does not need Google, Youtube, or loads of books from Amazon, et cetera.

It saddens me to know that some people believe otherwise.

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04 Feb 2021, 9:19 am

I believe you will only "know" once you, yourself, die.

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04 Feb 2021, 9:26 am

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I believe you will only "know" once you, yourself, die.

Only if your "self" survives the physical death of your body; otherwise, there will be nothing left of you to "know".

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04 Feb 2021, 9:31 am

Fnord wrote:

Anyone who can think their way through anything on their own does not need Google, Youtube, or loads of books from Amazon, et cetera.

It saddens me to know that some people believe otherwise.

Self-satisfaction's a different topic.

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04 Feb 2021, 9:32 am

Maybe I'll get some insight on "death's door." Who knows?

I'm getting older----but I still don't speculate on this too much.

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04 Feb 2021, 9:38 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Anyone who can think their way through anything on their own does not need Google, Youtube, or loads of books from Amazon, et cetera. It saddens me to know that some people believe otherwise.

Self-satisfaction's a different topic.

Which is why I did not mention it.

When people cannot express themselves without first googling for something they like, or consulting a video from their favorite Youtube star, that tells me that Google and Youtube are doing their thinking for them; which is why when someone submits a video instead of a well-reasoned essay of their own, I skip over the video and address someone else's essay.

Unless the video features a domestic cat doing something stupid, of course... :heart:

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04 Feb 2021, 9:49 am

Fnord wrote:

When people cannot express themselves without first googling for something they like, or consulting a video from their favorite Youtube star, that tells me that Google and Youtube are doing their thinking for them; which is why when someone submits a video instead of a well-reasoned essay of their own, I skip over the video and address someone else's essay.[/color]

That's where I'd say either they, or you, are using it wrong.

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04 Feb 2021, 10:00 am

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That's where I'd say either they, or you, are using it wrong.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying cat videos.

Besides, we have gone off-topic.

There is nothing on the Internet that depicts an actual first-hand "afterlife" experience (there are only subjective testimonials, religious references, and poorly-rehearsed depictions by third-rate actors), so there is no need to take anyone's video of their alleged "afterlife" experiences seriously -- a video featuring abstract patterns and Enya music behind a droning narrative is not proof of an "afterlife", for example.

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04 Feb 2021, 10:09 am

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There is nothing on the Internet that depicts an actual first-hand "afterlife" experience (there are only subjective testimonials and religious references), so there is no need to take anyone's video of their alleged "afterlife" experiences seriously -- a video featuring abstract patterns and Enya music behind a droning narrative is not proof of an "afterlife", for example.[/color]

So I'll try sharing something that it appears you don't know.

- There are scholarly works sold on Amazon as much as there are 'pop-science', new age, fiction, and everything else.
- There are channels on Youtube such as World Science Festival that host discussions among top physicists. Brian Greene sometimes has some relatively intimate interviews with guests as he's had recently with keeping the channel active during the Covid lockdown. You also have Dr. Brian Keating's channel that tends to host Nobel laureattes quite often. Lex Friedman's MIT channel is also good for scientists, philosophers, and all sorts of cutting edge thinkers and doers.
- There are channels that get academic philosophers on relatively often to go into the weeds on all sorts of topics including integrated information theory, conservation laws regarding information in the universe, and various ideas on how to frame the activity of things like consciousness.

Having opened up a world for you just now that you didn't know existed before my saying so I'll give you a few weeks to go indulge yourself before saying much more on it.

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04 Feb 2021, 10:13 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Veni. Vidi. Exivi.

The plural of anecdote is not data; and the plural of philosophy is not science.

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04 Feb 2021, 10:16 am

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Veni. Vidi. Exivi.

The plural of anecdote is not data; and the plural of philosophy is not science.[/color]

You don't read.

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04 Feb 2021, 10:41 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Veni. Vidi. Exivi.

The plural of anecdote is not data; and the plural of philosophy is not science.[/color]

You don't read.

Meaning you can't follow the plot of conversations that you yourself kick off.

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04 Feb 2021, 11:43 am

The closest I came to believing in an afterlife was 6 years after my friend committed suicide. Well, obviously grief is often a motivating factor for adobting such beliefs. Nobody wants to believe somebody they love is gone forever.

I didn't really come that close, probably. But I wanted to believe so bad.

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04 Feb 2021, 12:01 pm

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That's one of the biggest hurdles with any conversation on the topic - people are usually stuck to one side or the other of either really really wanting it to be true or really enjoying dunking on people who seem to not believe in junior high science. Neither seems to go much farther than indulging their feelings. It's almost like actually taking a shot at figuring out what there is or isn't evidence of without it being 100% or 0% is seen as inappropriate. It doesn't just remind me a little of party politics - it's probably worse.

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