Why do so many immigrants come to the US if it's racist?

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kraftiekortie
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14 Mar 2021, 3:48 am

League Girl is probably in her early 40s. She has young kids.

It’s also illegal in the US to marry someone just for a Green Card. Both partners can theoretically be prosecuted.



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14 Mar 2021, 4:02 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
League Girl is probably in her early 40s. She has young kids.

It’s also illegal in the US to marry someone just for a Green Card. Both partners can theoretically be prosecuted.



Close, I was in my twenties when I had them.


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14 Mar 2021, 4:08 am

Pepe wrote:
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Believe me, I was there. 8)


Side question. Wouldn't you have to be very old to still be alive if you were there? And your profile says you are in Australia. How did you move from there to Australia?


I forgot to add: "Joke!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !". 8O
Some people get inordinately upset with my joking nature, btw. :mrgreen:


I didn't get upset.

But I missed the point of the joke. Can you elaborate of what you were getting at?


Sure.
Anytime.

I like jokes that incorporate absurdity.
I wasn't even born at the end of WWII.
That was the funny bit.
I just forgot to add 'Joke!! ! !'
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But saying that Soviets did most of the heavy lifting is not absurd. Its true. So thats why I don't get how it would fit into a joke with absurdity.



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14 Mar 2021, 4:09 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
League Girl is probably in her early 40s. She has young kids.

It’s also illegal in the US to marry someone just for a Green Card. Both partners can theoretically be prosecuted.


But how can you prove it is "just for the green card". The fact is what you "do" (marrying or otherwise). The "intention" of why they do it (because they are genuinely in love, or "for a green card") is not a fact. So its not provable. Of course, it would "become" a fact after they marry. But at that point it would be too late, wouldn't it.



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14 Mar 2021, 4:13 am

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My wife started off by doing just that. She paid off the mortgage on her house through sending money “home.” She was a babysitter for an affluent family on Long Island.

She then went to school and became a nurse.


So were your wife able to immigrate "because" she married you? Or was she already in the US before the two of you met?



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14 Mar 2021, 4:14 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:
League Girl is probably in her early 40s. She has young kids.

It’s also illegal in the US to marry someone just for a Green Card. Both partners can theoretically be prosecuted.



Close, I was in my twenties when I had them.


Does it mean you are in your 30-s if your kids are still young? Or are you in your 40-s and your kids aren't so young?



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14 Mar 2021, 4:16 am

Well they were married for two years. I doubt she came out with the truth right after their wedding. And you need proof anyway. It would be his word against hers unless he recorded her saying "I never loved you, I only married you to be a US citizen" when she asked for a divorce. It was out of the blue according to my mother. I never talked to him about it.


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14 Mar 2021, 4:17 am

QFT wrote:
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League Girl is probably in her early 40s. She has young kids.

It’s also illegal in the US to marry someone just for a Green Card. Both partners can theoretically be prosecuted.



Close, I was in my twenties when I had them.


Does it mean you are in your 30-s if your kids are still young? Or are you in your 40-s and your kids aren't so young?


Well they're 7 and 10. That is a hint. :wink:


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14 Mar 2021, 4:20 am

League_Girl wrote:
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League Girl is probably in her early 40s. She has young kids.

It’s also illegal in the US to marry someone just for a Green Card. Both partners can theoretically be prosecuted.



Close, I was in my twenties when I had them.


Does it mean you are in your 30-s if your kids are still young? Or are you in your 40-s and your kids aren't so young?


Well they're 7 and 10. That is a hint. :wink:


Wow, then I must be confusing you with someone else. I thought you were definitely a lot older.



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14 Mar 2021, 4:22 am

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Well they were married for two years. I doubt she came out with the truth right after their wedding. And you need proof anyway. It would be his word against hers unless he recorded her saying "I never loved you, I only married you to be a US citizen" when she asked for a divorce. It was out of the blue according to my mother. I never talked to him about it.


What I am saying though is that if he marries a fellow US Citizen then this would, logically, prevent such a situation, since US Citizen already has a citizenship. Thats why I don't understand why he decided to just never marry rather than marry a US Citizen.



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14 Mar 2021, 5:55 am

I thought you said once, in a thread, that you were born in 1979, League Girl. I’m probably confusing you with someone else,

The government requires a lot of proof, and requires you to go on many interviews, before someone who is married to a citizen gets a Green Card. The prospective Green Card holder must also pay a few thousand dollars in application fees. They’re extremely strict, and will not grant the Green Card in many cases.

My wife was already a Green Card holder when I met her. She later became a citizen.



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14 Mar 2021, 5:59 am

Maybe Pepe is actually in his late 80s or older; who knows?

Pepe was probably joking about his age. I’m 60, and I joke about my age.



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14 Mar 2021, 12:27 pm

I thought Pepe said somewhere he is 54 years old.


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14 Mar 2021, 3:38 pm

Money means a lot about survival. It's kinda like asking "why are kids going to school despite all the bullying involved". Ok, kids need to go to school or the government will step in, but I mean that school allows you to get education to make money, so the social aspect of things is put to the side. You gotta take the lesser of 2 evils. America is rich as opposed to some other countries. There is a reason why many ethnic groups only stay involved within their community. Racism is real!



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16 Mar 2021, 6:19 am

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So, basically we can conclude that the group anxieties of white people are "racism" and the group anxieties of non-white people are "anti-racism". Got it.


Yep, that's exactly what I said. I have no nuance in my views. All white people bad, all non-white people good. No, I'm saying that there are still a lot of white people with pretty obvious racial anxieties. Non-whites can also be discriminatory of course, though in America they don't have the institutional backing that white racial attitudes do. Also, I love that you rephrased a guy ranting to me about the white nationalist "great replacement" conspiracy theory as "group anxieties."

And poc are dying more of covid due to social factors, not genetic ones. They tend to work in jobs that expose them to the public, so they are more likely to catch it. Then their lower income usually leads to poor healthcare, and poor health outcomes in general. That's why covid disproportionately harms black and latino communities in America.



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16 Mar 2021, 12:33 pm

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Non-whites can also be discriminatory of course, though in America they don't have the institutional backing that white racial attitudes do.


Historically, yes, there was an institutional backing of white attitudes back in the past. But that basically ended in 60-s or 70-s. As far as right now, the institutional backing is the opposite to what you described. You can find the laws that would favor black people (such as affirmative action and so forth) but you won't find any similar laws that would favor white people since that would be deemed racist.

My mom's ex-landlord was a math professor and he told her about a situation where they had lots of applicants of a professor position, and one of them was black woman. They basically felt forced to select black woman for diversity reasons, but they felt bad about it because there were a lot of better qualified candidates that they had to ignore. Then, luckily for them, that woman withdrew her application. They went to a restaurant to celebrate (although they haven't "officially" said what they were celebrating).