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09 Jul 2021, 8:03 am

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Is ya'll qaeda really going to rove around the USA in the backs of pickup trucks with flags and guns shooting people? Seems almost.. cartoonishly stupid; yet, also entirely plausible.



It's a possibility. You're not far from the arctic circle, the ability for you to dig tunnels is somewhat hampered by permafrost. If Mexicans dig tunnels to run drugs and cross the boarder, you can bet your sweet bippy that Americans have tunnels somewhere for their own survival or perhaps even nefarious purposes.

Canada has it's own version of 'rednecks,' I know. But, I really don't think they have anything resembling the US backwoods people. There are people who have no need for society, whatsoever. They hunt for all their protein, keep livestock and grow what they can't hunt. They don't need anyone, they don't leave the 'holler,' there's one way in and one way out. Do you have any idea how powerful that is?

I'm not one of these people. While I don't need society, and I can grow a garden, I don't hunt. The people that do are the ones who will survive. Guns are only a part of the equation and a not unimportant one, these people don't live in a wide open desert. Any ability to 'sneak up' on them is hampered by the landscape and generations of hiding; a lot like Al Qaeda if you ask me. I will probably die, but it will be with a smile on my face watching these societal rejects confound traditional warfare. Many of these people have a grudge, not about freeing slaves but about losing a war, in general. Those are the gun hoarders who plan never to be caught with their britches around their ankles again.

I just left from a 10 day vacation in Appalachia. I love it. I wish I'd paid more attention to the old ways of animal husbandry and farming when I was little. I still smile though, at their way of life. It's certainly not for everyone, especially someone who considers themselves too good to get their hands dirty. Mark my words, there will be a time when it comes in very handy.


:lol:

According to google results, the city I live in is 2,629 km from the arctic circle. No permafrost here - we have palm trees on the beach and just posted temps of ~105F in the city and 121.3F in Lytton - which is a higher temperature than has ever been recorded even anywhere in South America.

The climate doesn't change over to ice and snow instantly when you cross the imaginary border line.. :roll:


You aren't inclined to dig a tunnel. People with an inclination and privacy are inclined to dig tunnels, cities don't provide much privacy.


You don't think there are tunnels in British Columbia? :? Vancouver is one of the biggest mining centres in the entire world. We don't just clear cut forests and rape the sea by overfishing, we Also tunnel into mountains to collect shiny metals and make toxic tailings ponds. Plenty of places to get underground if one wanted to.



Commence to digging, then. And send us a picture when you're finished. I'm very interested to see if you could accomplish a decent tunnel where you live without an big auger. There's really no point in digging a tunnel everyone knows about, but I take your meaning.


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09 Jul 2021, 8:09 am

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Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


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09 Jul 2021, 8:33 am

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See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.
So what are you going to DO about it, attack us?

You see, that is where the MAGAs, the QAnons, the Proud Boys, and their ilk get it all wrong: They attack us, we defend ourselves, and then they cry 'Foul' as if we were somehow obligated to take their abuse laying down.

Forget that crap, and get over yourself.  The only things those bullies respect are bigger bullies, and if it means that we show them how really impotent they are by beating the snot out of them in a fight they started, then so be it.

As it is right now, the MAGAs, the QAnons, the Proud Boys, and so forth are too afraid of getting hurt to start a real fight -- they would rather make feeble attempts to overthrow the government and then blame everyone else for it as part of The Big Lie they have been preaching.


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09 Jul 2021, 10:00 am

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See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.
So what are you going to DO about it, attack us?

You see, that is where the MAGAs, the QAnons, the Proud Boys, and their ilk get it all wrong: They attack us, we defend ourselves, and then they cry 'Foul' as if we were somehow obligated to take their abuse laying down.

Forget that crap, and get over yourself.  The only things those bullies respect are bigger bullies, and if it means that we show them how really impotent they are by beating the snot out of them in a fight they started, then so be it.

As it is right now, the MAGAs, the QAnons, the Proud Boys, and so forth are too afraid of getting hurt to start a real fight -- they would rather make feeble attempts to overthrow the government and then blame everyone else for it as part of The Big Lie they have been preaching.


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09 Jul 2021, 10:05 am

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Has no one ever told you to chew with your mouth closed?

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09 Jul 2021, 10:11 am

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See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.
So what are you going to DO about it, attack us?

You see, that is where the MAGAs, the QAnons, the Proud Boys, and their ilk get it all wrong: They attack us, we defend ourselves, and then they cry 'Foul' as if we were somehow obligated to take their abuse laying down.

Forget that crap, and get over yourself.  The only things those bullies respect are bigger bullies, and if it means that we show them how really impotent they are by beating the snot out of them in a fight they started, then so be it.

As it is right now, the MAGAs, the QAnons, the Proud Boys, and so forth are too afraid of getting hurt to start a real fight -- they would rather make feeble attempts to overthrow the government and then blame everyone else for it as part of The Big Lie they have been preaching.


I recall being the one saying I was fine without a civil war and that I would not survive one, on this very thread. So, I'm not exactly sure where the question about 'attacking' is coming from? The guy from Australia is the one saying he hopes he sees a lot of dead MAGAs. My interest is on the people who have lived their lives in such a way, honing skills, etc... so they survive and start over. Those people aren't necessarily gun hoarders.


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09 Jul 2021, 12:32 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


Those MAGAs would have been fine with murdering politicians in the white house.


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09 Jul 2021, 1:33 pm

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Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


Those MAGAs would have been fine with murdering politicians in the white house.



What about the MAGAs at the Trump speech far away from the White House? Are they guilty by association and condemned to death?


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09 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm

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What about the MAGAs at the Trump speech far away from the White House? Are they guilty by association and condemned to death?
Anyone complicit in the January 6th coup attempt is and should be arrested and held or bound over for trial.


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09 Jul 2021, 1:46 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


Those MAGAs would have been fine with murdering politicians in the white house.



What about the MAGAs at the Trump speech far away from the White House? Are they guilty by association and condemned to death?


Some of them probably would have been fine with it to, and no not condemned to death...but any involved at all in the insurrection do seem condemned to arrest and trial at least.


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09 Jul 2021, 7:16 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


Those MAGAs would have been fine with murdering politicians in the white house.



What about the MAGAs at the Trump speech far away from the White House? Are they guilty by association and condemned to death?


Some of them probably would have been fine with it to, and no not condemned to death...but any involved at all in the insurrection do seem condemned to arrest and trial at least.


They have the ability to do that now. They've gone door to door using cell phone records for people who were present, my sister actually knew one couple. The FBI showed up at their home in Virginia. No evidence of any violent intentions, they were not charged with anything. I think they caught the ones they were after and let the rest alone. So, just being a MAGA doesn't mean violent extremism. Cyberdad thinks a bunch of them should be dead, that's a bit pyscho imo. Especially from someone who professes to love humanity so much... I think they love people like them, and hate people who are unlike them. That's no different than closed minded, clannish anything. And it's the complete opposite of what they claim.


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09 Jul 2021, 7:34 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


Those MAGAs would have been fine with murdering politicians in the white house.



What about the MAGAs at the Trump speech far away from the White House? Are they guilty by association and condemned to death?


Some of them probably would have been fine with it to, and no not condemned to death...but any involved at all in the insurrection do seem condemned to arrest and trial at least.


They have the ability to do that now. They've gone door to door using cell phone records for people who were present, my sister actually knew one couple. The FBI showed up at their home in Virginia. No evidence of any violent intentions, they were not charged with anything. I think they caught the ones they were after and let the rest alone. So, just being a MAGA doesn't mean violent extremism. Cyberdad thinks a bunch of them should be dead, that's a bit pyscho imo. Especially from someone who professes to love humanity so much... I think they love people like them, and hate people who are unlike them. That's no different than closed minded, clannish anything. And it's the complete opposite of what they claim.


The FBI doesn't have time or resources to go to everybody's house just because of their politics. They do only when extremism is expressed publicly, online, etc.


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09 Jul 2021, 8:33 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.



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09 Jul 2021, 10:51 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.


That's not what you said... you said, "hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one." A MAGA doesn't mean violence, you did not distinguish between the two, you linked the two with the term MAGA.


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10 Jul 2021, 12:52 am

Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nah, there's going to be no civil war. Hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... acy-theory

Apparently Kmart and Sears must have MAGAs working in their clothing manufacturing
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... bitt-shirt



See, you don't actually care about people. Only 'your' kind... You're no different than the MAGAs you wish death on. This is a prime example of why people who are on the fence end up against you/Liberals. There's no love, peace, etc... You want yours to live and anyone else who doesn't fall in line to die. You are disingenuous.


The woman in question was committing a crime against the federal government and it now appears was part of a mob heading toward congressmen with the intention to murder them. These are the MAGAs I am saying who basically asking to be shot. I am amazed the police were so restrained given the mob made their intention quite clear and surprised more weren't taken out?

The MAGAs who were attending Trump rallies or standing outside the capitol building are not storming the building so not putting anybody in danger.


That's not what you said... you said, "hopefully a lot of dead MAGAs like this one." A MAGA doesn't mean violence, you did not distinguish between the two, you linked the two with the term MAGA.



Ummm, the leader of the magas repeatedly insighted violence at his maga rallies and then insighted a violent insurrection against the United States government.. so, yeah, maga = pretty interwoven with violence. The leader of the magas is the one that linked the two.


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