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Do you see one besides an uprising of the masses in some form or another?

Do they? Are you an expert on right wing people, or maybe have a lot of right wing friends to base that opinion on?

Because I do spend a lot of time on the right, and Alex Jones is treated like just another conspiracy theorist for the most part, not a credible source akin to the nightly news.

Ahh, just as I suspected, motivated reasoning all the way down.

Yes, sound reasoning is the motivation. What of it?

High taxes on wealthy people won't work.

Wealthy people are not idiots that will let you keep taking their money.

That's the idea behind the Laffer curve.

Taxes reach a point where people adjust their behavior to pay less.

Spoken like a true lap dog of a wealthy person.

The USA used to have high taxes on high incomes and it worked quite well. Convincing poor people that high taxes on the wealthy won't work has been the play of the wealthy for decades. "It'll trickle down," they keep saying... LOL, no. America has to tax them and take it to be put to good use or they're never going to give it up voluntarily. If they evade taxes, and thus evade paying their fair share to support civilized society, penalize them - harshly. Jail sounds about right considering the USA isn't afraid to have a high prison population.

It's nice hearing from other conservatives how Info Wars is full of lies, keep speaking up and calling out other right wingers. The ones that stand out are the right wing nutters. I have even questioned if my own inlaws are conservatives because neither of them liked Trump, are not anti immigration, not anti healthcare, not racist, not anti LGBT.

I'm not some "soak the rich" class warrior, the people who's taxes I want to raise are the professional managerial class (though I'd also make some massive adjustments to how the finance industry works as well). These are not people who are going to flee the country and become tax exiles or stop going to work because the marginal rate on the highest chunk of their income went up, and if it makes you feel better, this is also the heart of the new Democratic party, so higher taxes is what they claim to want. Who am I to deny the people what they want?

One, I'm not a conservative, and two, none of the positions you mentioned, particularly being anti lgbt and racist actually have anything to do with conservatism, except in the minds of liberals, which they spread through their control of the cultural institutions.

Then please explain why every racist I have seen online, every homophobic, every anti immigrant were all conservatives and they even said they were too. Is this all a big coincidence or were they all just left wing trolls pretending to be conservative and say racist things online and anti LGBT and identity as conservative and saying they support Trump?

I suspect that you tend to find what you're looking for.

Have you ever worked a truly blue collar job, or sat at a working class bar drinking $1.25 Busch draft and shooting the sh*t with union stevedores and iron-workers? Do you remember when Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton were anti-gay marriage, or at least said so in public well into the 2010s? Or which party had all those former KKK grand wizards in it that Biden reminiscences about being chummy with? Get offline and actually talk to people, or even just change were you expect to see certain attitudes, and you might be surprised at what you find. Hell, go read 2016 Bernie Sanders on immigration, he sounded harsher than Trump.

Even the Socialist party in France had to repeal their 75% *super-tax* on millionaires, because
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonhartley ... 157e655df2

France’s 75% ‘supertax’ reduced government tax revenues through hindered economic growth and capital flight".

How would you characterize your political stance, if not conservative? On which specific issues do you disagree with most conservatives? And how do you define "conservativism"?


So are you claiming that people like James Dobson and Maggie Gallagher, and the movements they led, aren't/weren't "conservative"?


No, it's based on actual recent history.

If conservatives in your part of the country have largely gotten over being anti-LGBT, that's great to hear. (You live in Oregon.) I would strongly suspect the same is still not true of many conservative Christians in the Bible Belt and even here in the northeast. I do know that I've encountered anti-LGBT attitudes even here in my neighborhood.

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At that point, not very many people in power in either party, outside of a handful of the most progressive states, endorsed same-sex marriage. Are you denying that, on average, Democrats tended to embrace it earlier than Republicans did?


Drastic political realignments do happen. Back in the early 1960's, the Republican Party was still the "party of Lincoln" whereas the Democratic Party was still the party of the southern segregationists, as it had been since the Civil War. Hence the "solid South" was solidly Democratic. That ended when President Johnson came out in favor of civil rights -- and then the Republican Party adopted its "Southern Strategy." That led to a drastic re-alignment of both parties, in which the "solid South" then became solidly Republican.

Most people would call me a libertarian, but that doesn't fit so well anymore in light of my shift away from unrestrained capitalism, my embrace of wealth redistribution, my desire for a social safety net, and other heresies from orthodoxy. Depending on the type of conservatives, as they are not monolithic, they tend to have problems with my positions on drugs (legalize them) immigration (relatively open borders) abortion (safe, legal, and rare), taxes (raise them on high earners), and a whole host of social issues that would take all night to get into.



That's just poor reasoning, the fact that there were and are homophobic conservatives does not mean conservatives generally are homophobic, or that homophobia is a conservative value. Again, conservatism is not monolithic, and even within religious conservatism you'll find large differences in beliefs.



As interpreted and disseminated by liberals, who often have never actually spent any time in a conservative community talking to actual conservatives. Would you trust a portrait of liberals formed exclusively based on what FOX News says about them? Based on my experience, that would actually be a fairer picture than the one mainstream media outside of FOX paints of conservatives, as if they're all Bubba out in the sticks looking for a black person to lynch or a gay to bash.



I don't live in Oregon, I live in Washington, and our conservatives generally could care less about gays, it's just not an issue outside of the occasional baker or florist being compelled to make custom work for them, but that's more a freedom of conscience thing than any homophobia. It's largely the same with trans stuff, they roll their eyes at it, but the problems only come when you try to force it on them, as this is not a community that takes kindly to being told what to do or how to think.

Not at all, I'm merely pointing out that homophobia was and is not limited to conservatives and is not an inherently conservative value, as evidenced by it's embrace by the Democratic party well into recent memory.



Yes, I'm very familiar with the history. Doesn't change the fact that an awful lot of racists were Democrats that stuck with the party post civil rights act, and that even the liberal democrats were perfectly happy to rub shoulders with literal Klan leaders if it meant keeping political power.