I’m fed up with people not liking vaccine mandates

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I say the same about people who choose to drink, choose to smoke, choose to do drugs, choose to make any bad choices in general, their body, their choice. Let them get cancer, let them risk their death, let them premature age, let them get addicted and face the consequences. Their choice. I just have a harder time having sympathy for these people and I don't see them as victims.

My husband on the other hand has sympathy and his reason is people have lied about vaccines, there has been misinformation but to me I have listened to science and doctors, not what conspiracy theorists say or peoples opinions and people have made that choice to listen to these people instead and pretend this is a democrat and a leftist thing.

This doesn't apply to people who can't be vaccinated due to a medical issue. It must suck to be allergic to vaccines.

So I'm reading you are consciously turning off the sympathy for these people or distorting it to reverse the affective for a group of people that you hate or dislike. What about people that get cancer unrelated to their choice...breast cancer? I assume you would have sympathy for them. So here is the loaded question, what about people that you dislike...vaxxed smokers, that die with covid? When I turn off or distort the sympathy, I'm de-humanizing as this justification makes it okay in my mind. It's not, think of the number of other people this one human's death will effect, do they get sympathy? So the smokers deserve it but their relations deserve sympathy? That is so confusing to me. Especially when I consider that suicides want to die.

Just to clarify, so people don't start worrying about vaccine safety:

I'm not allergic to all vaccines. It's one ingredient which was in a product for my surgery years ago. Of course doctors didn't know about my allergy until my body rejected the substance and had such a catastrophic reaction. The pharmaceutical company was deemed negligent and I won my case. They just so happen to be one of the companies which is now making Covid vaccines. The ingredient is still in use, and it's in the vaccines, but it's been altered significantly. We had reason to believe I would probably be safe with the vaccine and I was -- but it was a very scary decision.

Yes - my body my choice. I wouldn't say that the vaxx companies have lied, but it's reasonable for any person to be cautious about injectable medications. Once you take that vaccine, you can't remove it or change your mind. The vaccines were first rolled out in USA as an emergency measure without FDA approval, and with limited numbers of clinical trials which didn't involve autistic participants or other vulnerable groups. It was anyone's guess what would happen. AZ was proven to be dangerous for many people. Johnson & Johnson fell off the map and was never discussed again. Covid is changing and mutating so quickly that the vaccines can't keep up. That's why I think people have the right to do full research and make up their mind without social shaming or mandates. Those people have an ethical responsibility to isolate from society, stay home when sick, test regularly, wear masks, and be considerate citizens just like the people who do choose to vaxx. I think the lockdowns, vaccines, and masking served a valuable purpose especially at the height of the first two waves. Most people have done their part in every way they can, whether they're vaxxed or not.

I really hope Covid is finally on its way out with Omicron and the newer variants, and that everyone works together to care about others. The last thing we need on this planet (Wrong Planet or Earth), is more division and spite.

^^^Yeah, division is not going to do us much good. Sadly, the conversation around Covid has been highly politicized. Here in the U.S. you're either all in for the official narrative, or you're a crazy anti-vaxxer.

(I know I repeat myself a lot, so forgive me.)

I hear you...

I think I wear my shadow on my sleeve pretty much... heh.
I think I'm a pretty open person. An open book.
"Essense of Love"..now would make a great song title...
Mariah Carey comes to mind..also Jesus...ALso..Carl Jung...
Without sounding grandiose, I would say
I'm Forgiving, Merciful, And Compassionate
After enough time as passed....lol



AM I the only who resonates with you here..understands your communiques?
Looks around...
I don't see anybody many people responding to you...
Engaging you.
(I guess you might intimidate people. Or they no comprende.)
Now that can be good or bad depending on your point of view..
Everything is perspective, as Nietzsche said.
Anyway, yeah..


I hear you.




On bitterness, yeah.
My grandmother is really an anomaly.
Common amongst older generations to have certain mindsets.
Liberace, yeah.
But most my extended family are very cool and fun people.
The very opposite of bitter.
Not depressive, self-deprecating, mean and all that...

You have a very dense writing style.
I could comment on fragments all day...
(You make many allusions, references. You're just plain wordy.)
But i will call it quits.
I've rambled enough.

Nothing to see here. Board can go back to normal now.

Somewhere in the mix, people have forgotten about critical thinking. ^

I don't believe 'critical thinking' was ever a well dispersed trait in the general population to begin with.

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Hehe, Thanks 'That' Just About Covers It;

(Just Plain Wordy)

Unless i'm Public Dancing And There Are
No Words At All When Folks Are Shocked
When They Find Out i Also Talk too; Hehe,

Other than that There Are Other
Places That 'Get me' Easy

With Lots of Applause
And Deep Interaction

And That IN itself

is Fascinating to me
As i Surely Wouldn't Have
'Got me' Either Before i Opened Up
my Real Organic Soul to the Extreme too...

True As Friedrich Nietzsche Also Related:

- 'And those who were seen dancing were thought
to be insane by those who could not hear the music.'

i Continue to
Hear More of
'The MuSiC' And
'IT' Gets Sublimely
Amazingly More Beautiful Always Now It's
Surely Worth Some Nay SaYin' Now And Then too..

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I've been shamed for having empathy and caring about other people and been told to mind my own business. Now I get this response, talk about I can't win here.

Then there goes fat shaming too where we are gaslighted into thinking being concerned about their health is just a guise for fat shaming so I have learned we are not supposed to care about other people because their bodies their choice. Mind our own business. I will gladly "fat shame" my kids and my husband when their weight starts to affect me because too much weight means furniture gets broken, clothes get more expensive to buy, more food gets eaten in the house so it raises our grocery bill. But I will gladly not care about other people and only care about the ones in my home.

Yes I do feel bad for people that get cancer that is beyond their control like my mom for example. She did nothing wrong to have her own immune system attack her body. She had to pick between death or pain for the rest of her life and she picked pain by going through chemo therapy. She is happy to be alive. I might have chosen death, she chose life even if it means pain and pinched nerve feelings for the rest of her life. It was also fortunate she had good insurance, most people would have to pick between bankruptcy or death. I respect either choice people make here.

If you feel or read that I was trying to shame, I apologize as that was not my intent. I am truly confused as to the your and others reasoning and used my normal brutal/blunt voice to explain my understanding of myself. I have low empathy and it's easy to turn off what little I have of the stuff.

A now proven ineffective and experimental vaccine should not be injected, on a mandatory basis, to anyone who is not willing to be part of the human experiment. I think it's ok for people to want to give their life to science, by letting the authorities do testing and basically, do what they want and obey on command. This is not the way of life. Well, it was not in Canada prior to the plandemic. Communism was not common here.

The current Canada's PM is hiding and pretending to be isolating, at the moment when things started heating up. He is asymptomatic and just can't give in and let the great reset not happen. He has the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.) and the UN (United Nations) working toward Agenda 21. Trudeau can't back off, so he has to hide until he comes up with another way to makes things work in order for Big Pharma to keep on cashing in, thanks to the "2 weeks stop" back in March 2020.

People have to realize that Covid is mostly a mild or asymptomatic disease and that the real disease is the "leaders" being tyrants! Some get COVID rough, but most are just numbers to keep the fear on TV going. Just do your thing and let the sun shine on you. There is no need for all these political and basically military approach to treating people. This is no health, this is tyranny!

Of course, the following does pertain to people who for medical reasons can not take the vaccine.

It is not a matter of wanting them to die. It is resentment at being put at higher risk, and having to do more mitigation measures to save them because of their choice.

I am trying to move on because at this point pretty much every who has not gotten vaxxed yet NEVER WILL.

I have low empathy too. I guess this is why I feel the way I do. There is sympathy and empathy. I have sympathy but I can choose to turn it on or off. I can turn it off when people make me upset or behave in selfish ways. I think lot of people are like this. People have sympathy until you harm another human.

People see refusal to be vaccinated as causing harm to other people so they don't have sympathy. The only harm I see them doing is for themselves.

Vaccine mandates are different from dress codes.

Unlike vaccines, wearing a suit and tie (if you are a man) or a skirt and high heels (if you are a woman) does NOT even remotely help to protect you (or the people you come into contact with) from any disease.

Where is the harm? The only time and reason for me to get vaxx'd was to advance the vaccine immunity and did not make sense to me with natural immunity. That failed when it became apparent vaxxed people were getting and giving covid. You also need natural immunity to achieve herd immunity, actually boosts it, IIRC.

The vaccines are not ineffective, although their effectiveness has diminished for subsequent strains. As with the flu, we'll probably need a yearly vaccine.

Even with Omicron, the vaccines do still reduce the likelihood of severe illness.



At least here in the U.S.A., there are three different COVID vaccines, not just one. So, if you don't want to be part of the "human experiment" with mRNA technology, you can take the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which is a more traditional type of vaccine, thus less likely to have weird unforeseen longterm side-effects.

If you are concerned about the possibility of blood clots (a known rare side-effect of the J&J vaccine), you can prevent them by taking baby aspirin, one per day for a few weeks after getting the shot.

Note: I'm not a doctor. Please confirm the above with your doctor.


So you're into "Agenda 21" conspiracy claims, apparently?

Note to everyone else: see the 2015 Guardian (U.K.) article Agenda 21: a conspiracy theory puts sustainability in the crosshairs. See also the Wikipedia article on Agenda 21.


Perhaps for the majority of people. But a large minority do get seriously ill -- a large-enough minority to cause serious clogging-up of the healthcare system.

And many people, including some who did not get seriously ill, may end up with the lingering illness known as long COVID. See What doctors wish patients knew about long COVID, AMA (American Medical Association), Oct 22, 2021.