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23 Apr 2022, 11:39 pm

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The only Chinese in his intellectual armor is his susceptibility to the hypocrisy of the empiricist fallacy. That aside, he’s a pretty ok guy.

What is this "empiricist fallacy" of which you speak? I've looked around, and all I can find against empiricism is the notion that sensory data can be misinterpreted, for example during a dream, and so empirical data has limitations, and the idea that just because you can't personally verify an assertion by your own observation doesn't mean to say that you absolutely know it to be false. I could find no assertion that there's anything hypocritical about empiricism.

Hard empiricism is circular reasoning. For one, there’s no limit on how many times you can demand evidence until you frustrate someone by running them into a dead end. No scientific study exists that you can’t exhaust evidence for until you have to admit there’s no evidence to back something obscure or tangential. That’s moving goalposts. Also, hard empiricists demand that ALL arguments require evidence, yet you cannot support the requirement itself for evidence through external verification. To do so would require assuming something that must be proven. Therefore, hard empiricism is circular reasoning and fallacious. To demand evidence of others when you fail to hold yourself to the same unreasonable standard means you’re a hypocrite.


OUCH! 8O :mrgreen:



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24 Apr 2022, 12:24 am

AngelRho wrote:
Hard empiricism is circular reasoning. For one, there’s no limit on how many times you can demand evidence until you frustrate someone by running them into a dead end. No scientific study exists that you can’t exhaust evidence for until you have to admit there’s no evidence to back something obscure or tangential. That’s moving goalposts. Also, hard empiricists demand that ALL arguments require evidence, yet you cannot support the requirement itself for evidence through external verification. To do so would require assuming something that must be proven. Therefore, hard empiricism is circular reasoning and fallacious. To demand evidence of others when you fail to hold yourself to the same unreasonable standard means you’re a hypocrite.

I don't think I've seen anybody round here using such extreme tactics, certainly not to the degree that would justify labelling them a hypocrite or a "hard empiricist" as a person. I think it's often reasonable to point out a dogmatic assertion. I don't like it when anybody is excessively unkind or grumpy about it, but I think dogmatic assertions can bring out unkind behaviour in the people who get exposed to them, unless they're easily led, perhaps because of the (natural, I think) suspicion of an attempt to fool the listener, or a suspicion of arrogance. It can come over as an insult to the intelligence to hear somebody say "I know x is true" (where x is controversial) without even offering anything to back it up, rather than just explaining what they've seen that has led them to think that, and owning it as their opinion, rather than putting it forward as if it were a matter of fact.



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24 Apr 2022, 12:26 am

It was interesting in the 1960s and 1970s knowing that chi.nk word as a boatbuilding and an architectural term years and years before hearing same word as an ethnic slur.
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Sunday, January 22, 2012
Chinking and battening
http://fretwaterlines.blogspot.com/2012 ... ening.html
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This morning we ground down the edges of the new floor, cleaned things up a bit, and Jim began chinking the seams. For most of it he used seven-strand caulking wick, which is basically a bunch of string.
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August 13, 2014 Appalachian architecture / Log Cabins / Tennessee
Chin.k, Daub, Repeat. A log structure restorer discusses his craft.
https://www.appalachianhistory.net/2014 ... craft.html
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The wood block chinking used by the pioneers not only added needed insulation, but also added significant structural strength to the whole building. The logs often span 25+ feet from notch to notch. With nothing in between (other than nonstructural wire), over time, gravity sags the logs. There is no upward strength supporting the length of the logs other than where they touch at the notches.

The wood blocks, then, as chinking material add structural strength, insulation, and a solid surface for the daub mix to adhere. The wood blocks also free float between the logs (not nailed to logs at all, but tightly wedged in) so that seasonal shrinking and expansion of the logs affects them very little, and if daubing does fall out, the wood shows between the logs, not rusting wire.
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:arrow: Etymology,
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c.hink (n.1)
"a split, crack," 1530s, with unetymological -k + Middle English chine (and replacing this word) "fissure, narrow valley," from Old English cinu, cine "fissure," which is related to cinan "to crack, split, gape," from Proto-Germanic *kino-(source also of Old Saxon and Old High German kinan, Gothic uskeinan, German keimen "to germinate;" Middle Dutch kene, Old Saxon kin, German Keim "germ"). The connection being in the notion of bursting open.
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AngelRho wrote:
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Anyone can dismiss another person's evidence without assessing it correctly.
That is why I gave up doing the "hard yakka" research because, after all the work, I usually got an "is not" reply. :mrgreen:

It is rather pointless to provide evidence if the other person has no intention of considering it. 8)

Fjord is MOSTLY reasonable. The only Chinese in his intellectual armor is his susceptibility to the hypocrisy of the empiricist fallacy. That aside, he’s a pretty ok guy.

I’ll throw in two or three contrarian replies when I’m feeling cute, but there’s little point in going far down that path. I’m more like a vulture preferring to pick the bones of roadkill for personal amusement. There are one or two folks on here whose arguments are stillborn more often than not.


It seems you have been "Punked" by the "auto-correct". :mrgreen:

The word "c.h.i.n.k" is valid usage, in this instances. 8)

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The idiom "c.hink in one's armor" refers to an area of vulnerability. It has traditionally been used to refer to a weak spot in a figurative suit of armor. The standard meaning is similar to that of Achilles' heel.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chink_in_one%27s_armor

Yes, I’ve been punked! What’s worse is that I inadvertently used a racial slur. I’m using a grammar keyboard on my mobile devices now. Saves time and helps me keep an eye on punctuation, but it’s hardly perfect. I’m not going to edit the post, though. Too funny!


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24 Apr 2022, 12:42 am

Anyway, as for "Activist teachers brainwashing children";
Why not?
It is efficient:
You've got them in groups of 20 to 30 at a time with several groups during a school day; economy of scale.
Since their minds are young and malleable and inexperienced, you've got an easily exploitable resource.

If you are successful there is a good chance they will grow up to pass the desired belief to their children who you might not have direct access to by that time.

So, yeah, having activist teachers brainwash children sounds like the smart way to do the brainwashing.

A bit of a tangent, but what else is a "well socialized" child or pet other than one who has been successfully brainwashed in to accepting and adhering to the mores of the surrounding society.


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24 Apr 2022, 6:19 am

Pepe wrote:
It seems you have been "Punked" by the "auto-correct". :mrgreen:

The word "c.h.i.n.k" is valid usage, in this instances. 8)
Yep.

The auto-censor is a bear of very little brain.
Unfortunately context is way outside its meagre, literal abilities, resulting in just this type of mangling.


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24 Apr 2022, 8:46 am

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It seems you have been "Punked" by the "auto-correct". :mrgreen:

The word "c.h.i.n.k" is valid usage, in this instances. 8)
Yep.

The auto-censor is a bear of very little brain.
Unfortunately context is way outside its meagre, literal abilities, resulting in just this type of mangling.

I don’t like anyone using racial slurs, myself included. If I’d thought about it, I’d have made a better word choice.

Hmmm…I wonder what would happen if…

Japanese



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24 Apr 2022, 8:47 am

AngelRho wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Pepe wrote:
It seems you have been "Punked" by the "auto-correct". :mrgreen:

The word "c.h.i.n.k" is valid usage, in this instances. 8)
Yep.

The auto-censor is a bear of very little brain.
Unfortunately context is way outside its meagre, literal abilities, resulting in just this type of mangling.

I don’t like anyone using racial slurs, myself included. If I’d thought about it, I’d have made a better word choice.

Hmmm…I wonder what would happen if…

Japanese

I thought so. baaaahahahahahaha!! !! :lol: