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07 Aug 2007, 11:04 pm

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i think your dancin could straighten her out (jk :lol: )


Ah. Well, I'd settle for worship over sex anyhow.



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07 Aug 2007, 11:07 pm

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Yeah. I can't think of any logical reason why being gay would be 'wrong.'


Because you shan't get to experience me darlin' :P


Nor me! :wink:


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07 Aug 2007, 11:08 pm

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it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...

just to get into heaven.

The thing that Ragtime and other people don't want to accept is that the Bible condemns homosexuality because it was written at different times, different knowledge, different culture, different views of the world that we have today.
People who wrote the Bible thought the world was flat, for God's Sake! lol

And that is sad actually, very sad that today in the 21 century, we still have this same view or interpretation, Ragtime was wondering about the creation if it can be interpreted being done in milions of years instead of literal days, now, why not interpreting this other thing differently also? and not take it literally?


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07 Aug 2007, 11:11 pm

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A person with gay inclinations could pray for God to less them, and He would.


just like he spare the hardships of all others who pray for ease from pain... in my experience, he seems to have a deaf ear to this type of prayer.

and i still dont think you can cross lines of lust in general versus the sex of the person you're lusting after...

those are two types of things...

ask yourself... why did you describe your homosexual attraction as forced? would you describe your lust towards other women (besides your wife) as being forced?

do you see how you cant compare the two "sins"?


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07 Aug 2007, 11:11 pm

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cause ragtime was using his point that he abstains from sex as being on par with gay people (extreme cases or other) limiting their attraction to the opposite sex


No, I wasn't. :roll: I was equating me denying myself non-marital sex with gays denying themselves homosexual sex.

Now, apologize for your error, and march yourself down to my office. :twisted:


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07 Aug 2007, 11:12 pm

calandale wrote:
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i think your dancin could straighten her out (jk :lol: )


Ah. Well, I'd settle for worship over sex anyhow.


intersesting... true love is woshipping :) though i'd hate to imagine true love w/o sex... have done it though.


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07 Aug 2007, 11:14 pm

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Sedaka wrote:
it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...

just to get into heaven.

The thing that Ragtime and other people don't want to accept is that the Bible condemns homosexuality because it was written at different times, different knowledge, different culture, different views of the world that we have today.
People who wrote the Bible thought the world was flat, for God's Sake! lol

And that is sad actually, very sad that today in the 21 century, we still have this same view or interpretation, Ragtime was wondering about the creation if it can be interpreted being done in milions of years instead of literal days, now, why not interpreting this other thing differently also? and not take it literally?


imo... you could say that for a lot of aspects about the bible...

i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form


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07 Aug 2007, 11:15 pm

They don't like anything that doesn't fit with their rhetoric.


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07 Aug 2007, 11:16 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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Homosexual attraction is for me a forced "Let's see if THIS mindset can work, if I really try".

Who the hell would choose to force themselves to 'try' being gay?


I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph! :? What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?

well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.


the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.

that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.

i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"

it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...

just to get into heaven.


JUST??? I don't think you understand what Heaven is, or how A W E S O M E it is. It beats anything you can find in this world by about infinity.


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07 Aug 2007, 11:16 pm

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cause ragtime was using his point that he abstains from sex as being on par with gay people (extreme cases or other) limiting their attraction to the opposite sex


No, I wasn't. :roll: I was equating me denying myself non-marital sex with gays denying themselves homosexual sex.

Now, apologize for your error, and march yourself down to my office. :twisted:


that's the same friggin thing..................

you cannot compare restricting your straight sex to gay people having to like participating in straight sex.

there is no comparison


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07 Aug 2007, 11:18 pm

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the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.

Which I, or any Christian, would do, if God really wanted us to.

I might really suck at it, but... wait, is that a good thing or a bad thing in a gay relationship :?: :P


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07 Aug 2007, 11:18 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
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Homosexual attraction is for me a forced "Let's see if THIS mindset can work, if I really try".

Who the hell would choose to force themselves to 'try' being gay?


I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph! :? What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?

well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.


the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.

that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.

i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"

it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...

just to get into heaven.


JUST??? I don't think you understand what Heaven is, or how A W E S O M E it is. It beats anything you can find in this world by about infinity.


so, are you saying you could certainly do it?

i know what my heaven is very well thankyou... and it's much better than what the bible describes


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07 Aug 2007, 11:21 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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would you have homosexual sex the rest of your life if it would get you into heaven?

I would.


yes... but for you... i think we'd have to restrict it to sex with a male homosexual :wink:


yes, you know you're missing the point....


huh? what do you mean?

this was just a joke... a play on words.... did you get that? and cause kilroy is bi... i said he's have to marry/have sex with an asexual woman to get into heaven... just to fathom the misery that extremely homosexual people have to live with


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07 Aug 2007, 11:21 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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would you have homosexual sex the rest of your life if it would get you into heaven?

I would.


Well, the following recommendation won't get her into Heaven, but: Joining a nunnery WILL get her the sex!


hating on catholocism again? lol


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07 Aug 2007, 11:22 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Homosexual attraction is for me a forced "Let's see if THIS mindset can work, if I really try".

Who the hell would choose to force themselves to 'try' being gay?


I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph! :? What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?

well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.


the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.

that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.

i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"

it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...

just to get into heaven.


JUST??? I don't think you understand what Heaven is, or how A W E S O M E it is. It beats anything you can find in this world by about infinity.

Yeah, the most beautiful utopia
too bad gays are not allowed there, God discriminates.


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07 Aug 2007, 11:23 pm

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and i still dont think you can cross lines of lust in general versus the sex of the person you're lusting after...

those are two types of things...

ask yourself... why did you describe your homosexual attraction as forced? would you describe your lust towards other women (besides your wife) as being forced?

do you see how you cant compare the two "sins"?


ragtime........

answer this before you tell me to come to your office.


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