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28 Aug 2022, 11:25 am

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First I'll note that anyone "fleeing blue states because of high crime" has a very out-of-date notion of which states have especially high violent crime rates. Most of the more dangerous cities are in red or purple states, not blue states.


In deep red southern states (Mississippi, Missouri, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, etc), there are pockets of deep blue. The crime in red states tends to be concentrated in deep blue areas.

Nashville, Memphis, Saint Louis, Little Rock, Jackson, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, and Kansas City, for example, are all deep blue (despite being in deep red states)

The sort of crime you're talking about usually occurs in distressed areas and I am not ashamed to argue that those areas (blue because primarily inhabited by those with nothing invested in the "red" power structure) are perhaps even more distressed than similar areas in blue states, social conditions being so much worse, because the state legislature doesn't give a damn about those disenfranchised losers in urban areas who don't vote for them anyway.


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28 Aug 2022, 11:36 am

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As others have pointed out, autism alone has no bearing on one's political beliefs.

However, autism combined with one or more other factors can influence your political beliefs.

For example, let's combine autism with race:

A lot of whites on the spectrum (myself included) are conservative. Which is no surprise. A certain political party pushes the idea that whites (especially white men) are privileged. Yet those of us on the spectrum feel anything but privileged. It's no wonder a lot of us vote against the party that calls us the most privileged creatures on earth.

Also, contrary to popular belief, whites can and do face racism. From what I've seen, whites on the spectrum are more likely than neurotypical whites to have faced racism (I have a few theories on why this might be). If you've faced racism for being white, all the more reason to not support the Democrats.

I said somewhat the same thing a few posts back, although from the point of view of somebody who is not themselves conservative. But then I've also experienced white privilege more than once however it's my impression many whites, male or female, don't recognize when they benefit from white privilege as it seems natural to them. There's another possibility as well (which I don't think I mentioned previously) is that people on the spectrum often say things to others that offend those people, without even knowing they've offended, and the other person's response might be interpreted as "reverse racism" if the other person was non-white. I believe this has happened to me when I was younger and hadn't yet trained myself to consciously avoid "aspie faux pas".


If whites are less likely to get profiled, is that really privilege? Or could there be something else at play?

After all, Asians (despite being a minority) are less likely to get profiled too. If it was as simple as "minorities get profiled simply for being minorities," Asians would frequently get profiled.

As for whites facing racism, I'm going to state a cold hard truth (I certainly hope my post doesn't get removed, as all I'm doing is stating the truth): Some (not all) minorities hate whites.

Those of us on the spectrum come across as an easy target. Plus, despite the fact that a lot of us are highly intelligent, our incomes tend to be low (which means we likely come into contact with more minorities than a neurotypical white person would). Also, a lot of us don't drive (Which means we ride public transportation. On most public transportation networks, being white makes you the minority).

All of these factors listed above are likely contributing factors to why I've heard of many whites on the spectrum (myself included) facing racism.

To build on your faux pas comment, I agree social faux pas could contribute to whites on the spectrum facing racism. I have a slightly different take though. I've faced racism (from minorities I hadn't even said a word to) for committing non-verbal faux pas. So it's not always because of something the white person said.

And when I say I faced racism, I don't simply mean the minority got offended. I mean they got aggressive enough I could have died (or at least been severely injured)

Whether the faux pas is verbal or non-verbal, however, we seem to agree people on the spectrum are more likely to commit a social faux pas. If a minority already hates whites to begin with, a white person committing a social faux pas might be the push the minority needs to act on their hatred of us. It just so happens since those of us on the spectrum are more likely to commit a social faux pas, we're more likely to end up in the unfortunate position of becoming a punching bag for an anti-white minority.



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28 Aug 2022, 11:38 am

Autism doesn't determine political views.

The likelyhood of getting good Autism care under one party or another might influence thinking to a certain extent, but it doesn't normally overrule every other policy / topic / concern.



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28 Aug 2022, 11:39 am

MaxE wrote:
SkinnyElephant wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
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Mona Pereth wrote:

First I'll note that anyone "fleeing blue states because of high crime" has a very out-of-date notion of which states have especially high violent crime rates. Most of the more dangerous cities are in red or purple states, not blue states.


In deep red southern states (Mississippi, Missouri, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, etc), there are pockets of deep blue. The crime in red states tends to be concentrated in deep blue areas.

Nashville, Memphis, Saint Louis, Little Rock, Jackson, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, and Kansas City, for example, are all deep blue (despite being in deep red states)

The sort of crime you're talking about usually occurs in distressed areas and I am not ashamed to argue that those areas (blue because primarily inhabited by those with nothing invested in the "red" power structure) are perhaps even more distressed than similar areas in blue states, social conditions being so much worse, because the state legislature doesn't give a damn about those disenfranchised losers in urban areas who don't vote for them anyway.


Out of curiosity, what's your explanation for Minneapolis, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, and Albuquerque? All of those places are on the crime map too. Yet they're in deep blue states.



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28 Aug 2022, 2:30 pm

My political views are usually influenced by my environment.


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28 Aug 2022, 8:40 pm

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Since Autistic people are hyper-logical thinkers, I'm completely shocked that 90% of Autistic people(at least around here) are liberal. Most of what liberals believe in is completly illogical.

Legalizing crime, outlawing self defense, the immigration invasion, morbid obsession with identity politics, liberal indoctrination, brainwashing kids to think they're the wrong gender. A couple of other things I'm forgetting.

Maybe its just me that's hyper-logical. Or maybe there's more than one logic and my brain is programmed with a different logic than the liberal brain.


That last sentence saves the entire post.

Different people will prioritize different problems and even different aspects of the same problems, they'll see differing levels of responsibility for state intervention in different areas, etc.

It's often not a matter of the people you disagree with aren't logical, so much as a failure to understand where one's opponents might be coming from.

A lot of what you might call liberal indoctrination others might view as instilling proper values for a successful life.

What you call 'legalizing crime' others might have a very solid case that it actually amounts to ending state harassment of individuals over what amounts to a private matter than never should have been made illegal in the first place.

What you call 'outlawing self-defence' others might view as limiting the ability for citizens to behave as vigilantes.

Etc, etc, etc.

There's always going to be a weighing of different interests, not everyone will assign them each the same amount of weight though. If someone else's calculations are different from yours, it's expected that they'll receive different results.


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18 Sep 2022, 8:45 am

MaxE wrote:
SkinnyElephant wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:

First I'll note that anyone "fleeing blue states because of high crime" has a very out-of-date notion of which states have especially high violent crime rates. Most of the more dangerous cities are in red or purple states, not blue states.


In deep red southern states (Mississippi, Missouri, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, etc), there are pockets of deep blue. The crime in red states tends to be concentrated in deep blue areas.

Nashville, Memphis, Saint Louis, Little Rock, Jackson, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, and Kansas City, for example, are all deep blue (despite being in deep red states)

The sort of crime you're talking about usually occurs in distressed areas and I am not ashamed to argue that those areas (blue because primarily inhabited by those with nothing invested in the "red" power structure) are perhaps even more distressed than similar areas in blue states, social conditions being so much worse, because the state legislature doesn't give a damn about those disenfranchised losers in urban areas who don't vote for them anyway.
There's a fatal flaw in your argument. When these places were Republican controlled, they were much more safe and civilized. NYC under Rudy Juliani for one. The crime rate when he was in charge was 10% of what it is now. Several times I've heard people say how a state or city has went to hell since its been Democrat controlled, but was a wonderful place to live before that. California and Portland off the top of my head.

Do you actually think I'd be better off living in a liberal s**thole than safe and civilized Florida? I could be out in the middle of the night here and not have to worry about being mugged. You can't do that in in the midddle of the day in the liberal s**tholes. I can't believe you liberals are actually proud of this.



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18 Sep 2022, 8:55 am

To a limited extent I think it does. People with autism are considerably more likely to be unemployed, feel like they're alienated and just generally feel hard done by.

More like the collateral of autism and not autism itself can possibly play a roll. I noticed that while there is a mix of political views here, the site at least appears left leaning with some very hardline left members. More than I would see in the general public for sure. Groups I also meet in person from time to time lean left.



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18 Sep 2022, 9:22 am

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There's a fatal flaw in your argument. When these places were Republican controlled, they were much more safe and civilized. NYC under Rudy Juliani for one. The crime rate when he was in charge was 10% of what it is now. Several times I've heard people say how a state or city has went to hell since its been Democrat controlled, but was a wonderful place to live before that. California and Portland off the top of my head.


This is nonsense.

NYC felony numbers 2001-2021


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18 Sep 2022, 6:01 pm

Nades wrote:
To a limited extent I think it does. People with autism are considerably more likely to be unemployed, feel like they're alienated and just generally feel hard done by.

More like the collateral of autism and not autism itself can possibly play a roll. I noticed that while there is a mix of political views here, the site at least appears left leaning with some very hardline left members. More than I would see in the general public for sure. Groups I also meet in person from time to time lean left.


I used to be far left. I'm currently far right.

From what I've seen, being on the spectrum makes you more likely to be on either extreme (as opposed to being in the middle)



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18 Sep 2022, 6:03 pm

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MaxE wrote:
OGMacgyver wrote:
There's a fatal flaw in your argument. When these places were Republican controlled, they were much more safe and civilized. NYC under Rudy Juliani for one. The crime rate when he was in charge was 10% of what it is now. Several times I've heard people say how a state or city has went to hell since its been Democrat controlled, but was a wonderful place to live before that. California and Portland off the top of my head.


This is nonsense.

NYC felony numbers 2001-2021


One important thing to take into account: In recent years, New York City has essentially legalized various crimes. Which makes the crime rate lower on paper.



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18 Sep 2022, 6:59 pm

SkinnyElephant wrote:
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MaxE wrote:
OGMacgyver wrote:
There's a fatal flaw in your argument. When these places were Republican controlled, they were much more safe and civilized. NYC under Rudy Juliani for one. The crime rate when he was in charge was 10% of what it is now. Several times I've heard people say how a state or city has went to hell since its been Democrat controlled, but was a wonderful place to live before that. California and Portland off the top of my head.


This is nonsense.

NYC felony numbers 2001-2021


One important thing to take into account: In recent years, New York City has essentially legalized various crimes. Which makes the crime rate lower on paper.


:lmao:


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