The "Black Hole" of woke....

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There are some extreme left views that I will never understand. I don't understand how a mother could abort her own child. Her own flesh and blood.

Blimey this is complicated. I was just going by the dictionary definition.

I don't think it's a leftist view? It happens to all women, left, right, centre.

It generally happens when the pregnancy is going to kill the mother e.g. an ectopic pregnancy. Or the baby is so severely disabled that it won't survive or its life will be agonising. Or the woman has been raped and shouldn't be forced to carry and give birth to what the rapist put in her.

The Ukraine girls and women who were raped at gunpoint etc. by Russian soldiers...their stories are horrific. Girls as young as 12 who became pregnant by these monsters shouldn't be forced to carry and give birth, they are children themselves.

Corporations have three agendas
1. servicing their shareholders and/or investors or owners
2. maximising profits at the expense of morals and ethics
3. extracting what they can legally get away with from their workers and customers

The rest (like your wokeism) is window dressing

I would add enforced conformity to these ideas via censorship, shaming, harassment, and cancellation is an essential part of what the term "woke" has evolved into.

Presentism combined with black and white/zero-sum game thinking are key features of wokeness.

It needs to be understood as a revolutionary phenomenon. It is not traditionally a revolution in two main ways 1. It is not rebels throwing out by force government leaders and taking over TV stations. 2. It is decentralized.

But the main idea is that classic western liberalism is inherently racist and has been from the get-go, so all vestiges of it need to be replaced. All American history needs to be re-understood in this context. It is a very Orwellian revolution in that the key technique is changing the meaning of words and terms so that the opponents can be labeled racist(or some other ist/phobic) no matter what they say and how they say it.

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This guy gets it.

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Yawn, Human Standards of Ethics and Morality ARE ALways Changing.

Social Shaming, Community And Legal Standards, Are Always Changing to Accommodate
Now What Humans Bond and Bind Over in Terms of DarK Thru LiGHT Symbols and Ideologies;

(YeP iT All Smells Like A Communion of Philosophy, Politics, And Religion for Real)

However,

Facts are Facts.

The So-Called Liberal
Arm of Leadership,
Administration,
And Governance,
In the Last Nine Months,
About the Term it Takes to Birth A Baby
As Of Today Has Actually FRIGGING ACCOMPLISHED STUFF

THAT HELPS THE COMMON FOLKS AND ADDITIONALLY THE
ONLY ENVIRONMENT WE GET TO CALL HOME: EARTH;

YEP, LET'S ALL GET WOKE:

This is What the 'Liberal Social Justice Warriors' Are Accomplishing Now

1. New Infrastructure for a Country Falling Apart at the Seams; Indeed, By Nature, Very Conservative For Real...

2. (True, Before This, an Emergency Bill Passed to Send Money to Everyone to Get Out of Dire Straights of Pandemic
Needs Yet of Course that went to the Have Nots and Never Have Enoughs too, And Both Groups, Yes, Spent the Money

Making Supply Side Issues a Real Headache; Yet You Do What Ya Have to Do to Help the Least Among Us to Survive.)

3. A Bill Passed in a Bi-Partisan Fashion For At Least Some Advancement in Better Gun Control Measures to Save Lives.

4. A Bill Passed For Chip Manufacturing in the United States; Both Rational And Economic Good News.

5. A Bill Passed to Help Veterans Who Are Sick Exposed to Toxic Chemicals in Foreign Wars; That's Nice.

6. And Finally, Almost A Miracle, Enough Cooperation to Pass A Bill to Remedy Climate Change Woes;
And Additionally, Tax Credits For Folks Buying Energy Saving Cars, And Solar Panels, And the Such.

7. And Finally, Almost A Miracle, Enough Cooperation to Pass A Bill to Cap Drug Costs
for Medicare at 2,000 Dollars A Year and Negotiate Lower Drug Prices As Well FOR REAL.

8. And Finally, Almost A Miracle, YES! Enough Cooperation to Extend Health Care Subsidies
3 Years to Help 13 Million Folks Obtain Affordable Health Care for THeir Most Basic of Human Needs.

9. True, A Minimum Corporate Tax to Insure Rich Corporations That Pay Zero For Taxes, Pay 15 Percent
That Make Number 6, 7, and 8, A Reality to Both Lower Inflation Somewhat And Decrease the Deficit As Well.

10. And That's Not All, An Announcement Likely Today to Reduce Student Debt By $10,000 Dollars For Those
Making Less than $125,000 Dollars A Year. Hmm, Seems Like 'We' aRe 'Hitting' Most Human Demographics Here.

11. And That's Not All, A Push to Spend Billions More Dollars to FUND MORE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT; However,
Even The 'Liberal Social Justice Warriors' Don't Have A Full Handle on the Problem as Research Shows Now A Major
Remedy For Reducing Crime is Extending Health Care to All Citizens to Help Them With Their Social-Economic Woes.

Guess What, Everyone is Getting MORE 'Woke,'
NoW As Now A Major Concern is Keeping Our

Democracy With A Heart Beat Still Breathing.

And Even the Senate Minority Leader McConnell

Is Having to Admit That the Republicans May Fail
to Retake the Senate As the Brand Name of Trump

Is Finally
Becoming
'Criminal'
in Terms of
Achieving Their
Dreams of Controlling

The 'Traditions' of Their Ideology
That of Course Includes Welfare For the Rich;
Removing Health Care for the Poor; Support of
Politicians Who They Admit Have Incited An Attempt
to Overthrow Our Representative Democracy; And Additionally.

Attacking the FBI Hoping to Defund Our Most Conservative Parts
of the Executive Branch of Law Enforcement As They Are Perhaps

Doing the Most
Foolish 'Conservative Grounding
Game' oF All Shaming Law and Order...

Listen, i Realize that Folks Get Butt Hurt
When They Get Shamed And 'Cancelled' for Changing
Morality And Ethics; Yet Finally Folks Are Coming Around

Noticing Stuff Like Specific Health Care For Women and
Their Basic Reproductive Rights As Human Beings; ALong
With Health Care For the Rest of the Population; and Stuff Like

Saving Our Only Home, our Environment on Earth in Greater Balance;

And True, Where Ya Gonna Go if The Bridges All Fall Down; Yawn, Considering

We've Endured A Pandemic And The World is A Place of Wars That Effects Our Economy too;

Biden Definitely
Deserves A Medal
of Honor For Being

Center Enough in Balance to Get Stuff Done;

As Well As All of Who Have Worked on Both Sides to Do that Job Now to 'Get-R-Done.'

We've Got Bigger Fish to Fry Than Who Gets to Say/Do What At School or Work or What Not;

However, i Neither Work or Go to School; So,
Yes That (Thank God) is Beyond my Current
Financially/Socially Independent Purview NeW NoW.

Yawn, if i Will Get ALong Now Yes With A 'Metro Area
Audience' Who Voted 70 Percent For the Despicable
Human Being Matt Gaetz; Jesus F in Christ, i Will Live
Anywhere in the US in Peace And Love Enough Yes

To at Least
Now StaY in
Heaven Within
Naked, Enough,
Whole Complete

'Really Woke'; Beyond

All Clothes And Tools
of CuLTuRE Folks Are
So Attached to Like 'God'

Even When That Comes in
Painted-On Orange And Blonde.

Oh God
Yes! So Much
Faux Stuff Now
To Regurgitate
And Spit Out Indeed...

Yet Don't get me Wrong, We Can't
Expect to Survive With Extremes on Either Side;

'Defund the Police' Was Lunacy along with That
'City With No Government' 'They' Tried to Establish in Washington State.

It's True, i Am actually Very Conservative in Many Ways as i Realize Without Law-

In-Order

We'd Be Doing
"Mad Max iN
A Thunder DoMe" For Real;

i Worked For Active Pay for
the Government for 25 Years;

i Already Understand Law and Order;

in Fact, When i Retired Disabled With the Worst
Pain Known to Humankind i Had to Research the
Law that Applied to my Specific Case And Eligibility

As Even the OPM Had No Clue of Their Own Applicable Laws to my Case.

Hmm, Imagine What i Might be able to Do if i Wasn't Still Assessed Legally
And Medically
Permanently

Disabled;

We Will Never
Know as that
is A CuLTuRaLLy
Derived Label i Currently Have, hehe;

"When the World is Running Down, You
Make the Best of What is Still Around"

-The Police With Sting in the Lead

When You Can't Bend Your Knees to Your
Chest You Go-Half-Way And Leg Press 1520 Pounds at Age 62,

Permanently Legally And Medically Disabled Forever in this Life Now...

We LiVE iN A
Country Overall
of Spoiled Brat Americans;

Let's Hope they Don't Have to
Man And Woman-Up Like the
Folks in Ukraine Do Every God

Damned Day

For Real

Just For the
Price of Some
Style of Democracy.

All We Have to Do is Vote
And Get Rid of the God Damned
Lying Despicable Leaders in 'The

Muck'...

At least More
Folks are Finally
Getting "Woke" WHere
It Really Counts For Any Freedoms at all...

The Real Black Hole is in Ukraine And Many
Other Countries/Places in the World Who Truly Don't Have Freedom
of Speech and The Rights to Life, Liberty, And the Pursuit of Happiness

for Real,

like
me...

HeHE..

Within...

WiDE AWaKE
Naked, Enough,
Whole Complete
And Yes i've Been
to the BLacK WHoLE
WiTHIN And TRusT me

NoBoDY Wants to Go WHeRE
i Have Been...

iN No WHeRE

Land

WHeRE
ALL iS 'TiME'...

iN JusT "ANoTHeR GRouND HoG DaY"

-Aghogday

~ Life is As

EasY As A Free Dance And Song NeW NoW;
Once Again, Naked, Enough, Whole Complete 'AWaKE'...

i Will Not Complain About 'These Folks' All The Way From
The 30's Misappropriating The Phrase "Woke" Away From 'The Kingdom
And Or Queendom of Heaven Within"; Yet On the Other 'Left Hand,' i Don't
Give
A FLYiN'
F What
'They' CaLL
So-CAlleD 'God'
Either As We All

Have Our Labels and
Idols For What is Real

OR Not in 'OUR' Life NeW NoW..

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The legislation passed was not woke legislation but more along the lines of what was described as “liberal” back in the 60s and 70s with roots in the New Deal and Great Society not in Critical Race Theory or “anti racism”.

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Obviously, 'Things' Change, Just as the New 'Conservative Definition of Woke'
Has Less to Do Now With "Critical Race Theory" or the "Anti-Racism" Move With

the Metaphor of "Woke" in the 1930's.

It's Become a Pejorative Now For Folks Who get Butt-Hurt Over Being Told
to Modify Their Social Behavior Over the Differences of Others Getting Hurt;

Woke CAN And Will Mean Whatever We Choose to make it mean Now

Or Then; i Just Liberally Changed the Definition Like The 'So-Called
Conservatives' Did too Making it a Pejorative Instead of

A Social Justice Term.

It is Social Justice to Take Care of 'the Common Folk.'

And in Terms of Getting Woke With Cognitive Empathy
For the Plight of Others Folks it is MOST DEFINITELY WAKING

UP like Coming to Understand what it is still Like Being An African
American Man Working 80 Hours-A-Week to Support His Family
Driving Back into His Nice Neighborhood and Getting Profiled For

Being A Black Dude in A Really Nice

Car As It still Frigging Happens

Where i Live to Extended

Relatives as Such Who Still Have
to Look Over Their Shoulder at
the City Park if They Are Carrying
A Fishing Pole to Go Fishing as Someone

Might Mistake it For A Weapon Yet i guess
When You Get Stopped in Your Neighborhood

Late at Night Just For Being a BLACK Law Abiding Citizen

You Might Just Get A Little Bit Paranoid Anywhere Now

You Go For Anything You Do In Life; And that's the Way

Systematic Racism Continues

And Now the Focus Is

On Any Kind of 'Social Justice'
That is Put Forth to Make a More
Perfect Union For All; of Course There
Are Limits Yet Never the Less When Laws

Are Passed to Help the 'Common Folks,'
Social Justice And 'Getting Woke' for All Truly Rules Now.

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The establishment of western liberalism was not the "natural" evolution of the "superior" western mind in the age of the renaissance. This was always a myth. The renaissance philosophers, scientists, scholars and artists were members of the aristocracy and maintained a firm belief in casteism, servitude and nobility. They (of course) believed in the inherent superiority of Europeans. Not surprisingly the renaissance coincided with the rise of imperialism, military expansion, colonialism and slavery.

The roots of liberalism—fundemental belief in individual freedom, in the fundamental moral equality of individuals, in a legal system based on equality, and in a representative form of government befitting a society of free people—all these were pioneered by Christian thinkers of the Middle Ages who drew on the moral revolution carried out by the early Church. These philosophers and canon lawyers.

It is therefore not surprising that the revulsion toward popular conservative views in western democracies such as the superiority of the white man, the enslavement of humans and who opposed the subsequent emancipation of women and the poor began with revolutionary christians. Not the MAGA fake christians who Jesus would have reviled if he came back. Revolutionary christians who fought for the freedom of all people such as the quakers, jesuits and Pentecostals (other similar groups not only bought equality in western democracies but set up missionaries in colonial empires protecting the poor from exploitation, uplifting human rights, using donations to build hospitals and most importantly bringing education to poor village people. Many of the educational institutions in Asia were started by catholic and protestant missionaries.

So unfortunately your claims that institutions that have their roots in western liberalism believed in equality of all men and were not racist is a lie. The only people who protected the rights and subsequent emancipation of slaves and who fought in the trenches against organisation racism were christian groups.

I'm not even a practicing christian but I'm not ignorant of the contribution of christians in stamping out institutional racism . The founding fathers of America who built the foundations of democracy in America were actually evil. They were a product of their time and when they spoke of "free men" they defined human as European. So therefore the foundations of the institutions in western democracies are infact inherently racist. This is a fact and I am a little surprised why somebody as intelligent as yourself is so anxious to buy into this anti-woke crap to the extent you would re-invent history??

Abortion is usually an act of desperation, feeling there are no other viable options. That is why making it illegal doesn’t actually solve the problem.

The people who push woke ideology (while also insisting it doesn't exist, or is just being polite, etc) are positively obsessed with controlling the language, and either directly edit dictionaries when they can such as with online wikis, or bring pressure campaigns against the more traditional publishers to change the definitions to conform to their theories. Probably the most prominent example is the word "racism" itself, which prior to the late teens was commonly understood to refer to a belief in innate racial superiority/inferiority, but was changed in 2020 to add "systemic racism" that doesn't require any actual prejudice. This is still better than the "power + prejudice" definition a lot of woke types are pushing for, which essentially states that only white people can be racist, a patently ridiculous idea which is still widely believed and advocated for by many of our most highly educated class.

I'm sure you've noticed the more and more extreme "inclusive language" everywhere? Terms like chest feeding, person with a penis, vagina haver, etc? It's weird and awkward for most people, and insulting for the people it's supposedly protecting as it infantilizes them and treats them as impossibly fragile, but then it's not really about protecting anyone, what it's about is imposing social control and feeling superior to those who aren't so enlightened. Talking down to others and getting them in trouble is literally what gives these people meaning in their lives, it's quite toxic and should be resisted at every opportunity.

I like being woke. When I see it being used as an insult by the right wing, I wonder "what is wrong with it?" I like being aware of the issues and about racism in society. I see nothing wrong with it and what's wrong with trying to fix systemic racism or protecting LGBT and including them? What's wrong with pointing out racism and misogyny?

Imagine women rights being called woke back in the days, I will ask "and whats wrong with including women in work places and letting the men be stay at home dads and women being the breadwinner, what's wrong with getting rid of gender roles? What's wrong with women being allowed to make their own choices without the men making it for them? If this is woke, what's wrong with it, how is this a bad thing?"

The same people who were doing this in the 1960s



Are now doing this



There's no way I would get in bed with the anti-woke folk

Last edited by cyberdad on 25 Aug 2022, 12:23 am, edited 1 time in total.

What are these "women" you keep referring to, bigot?

Are you not aware of how women used to be treated back in the days? We couldn't even vote till 1920 for example. Imagine if the term woke was being used back in the days for women rights women were fighting for?