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25 Dec 2023, 11:28 am

I can see some justification in the ordinary white proletariat resistance to the movement against racism. There's the downtrodden white male sector, aware of the unfairly poor deal they're getting, and along comes the anti-racist, anti-sexist movement telling them that they're overprivileged and need to give up something to even up the score. It seems to them that society recognises the problem of race and gender inequality but has no interest in the problem of class inequality.

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25 Dec 2023, 11:34 am

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Looking at this issue from an excellent perspective, I learned a lot

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25 Dec 2023, 11:48 am

Not all change is progress or inevitable.

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25 Dec 2023, 5:45 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Not all change is progress or inevitable.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

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25 Dec 2023, 7:33 pm

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I am white. I feel neither proud nor ashamed of that. I feel no pride or guilt over being white. It's not a personal accomplishment. However, any white person who denies white privilege is intellectually stunted. They'll be OK though, because white privilege.

I was going to say where I'd be today were it not for white privilege, assuming I were here at all. But decided it might not be safe.

^^^ This is probably the most healthy approach to take.
A constructive role model is that of Germany. The Germans fully acknowledge their history and have done everything possible to educate their children on the dangers of fascism in all its manifestations. From what I have read they have taken a pro-active approach to deal with their historic past. Something the US could learn from.

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26 Dec 2023, 12:39 am

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And all it took for the Germans to achieve this was to have their country torn in half by war.

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26 Dec 2023, 12:42 am

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cyberdad wrote:

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And all it took for the Germans to achieve this was to have their country torn in half by war.

And an external power to force it.

So, who's up for invading the US to achieve that outcome? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

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26 Dec 2023, 12:43 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Not all change is progress or inevitable.

Marxists historians and Whig historians: How dare you!

:lol:

I 100% agree with you.

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26 Dec 2023, 12:44 am

Also, I'm pretty sure I'd be designated woke.

Whether or not it actually applies is much more complicated.

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26 Dec 2023, 1:00 am

I'm bitter, cynical, and I suspect there's always an agenda behind everything I read online or hear from gossip.

How can I really trust anthing in this country or world after living through the aftermath of 9/11?

I guess I can't be woke or a MAGA. When war actually breaks out in my country I'll probably be rounded up with the first prisoners to be shot because I refuse to pretend to be loyal to any side.

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26 Dec 2023, 1:03 am

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A lot of us lived through that event, but not everyone became bitter or paranoid as a result. That's a pretty common trauma response though and it certainly was traumatizing for many.

I feel like, as is common, if SHTF, you'd like gravitate to whoever you feel is less likely to actively persecute you/is more likely to leave you alone.

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26 Dec 2023, 1:06 am

I'd be considered woke, especially for where I currently live. I think of myself as being pretty far to the left.

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26 Dec 2023, 1:10 am

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I think honestly the only person who would truly try to protect me if the SHTF is my mom. Without her I'm pretty much alone and vulnerable.

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26 Dec 2023, 3:29 am

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:

And all it took for the Germans to achieve this was to have their country torn in half by war.

The US had the same opportunity to rectify their own sins following their own civil war following 1865 which tore the US in half.

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26 Dec 2023, 3:38 am

cyberdad wrote:

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And all it took for the Germans to achieve this was to have their country torn in half by war.

The US had the same opportunity to rectify their own sins following their own civil war following 1865 which tore the US in half.

I'm of the opinion that war should always be prevented whenever possible.

But then again I'm also of the opinion that all humans are terrible creatures and that this world will become a slightly better place when we are no longer around.

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26 Dec 2023, 4:04 am

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:

And all it took for the Germans to achieve this was to have their country torn in half by war.

The US had the same opportunity to rectify their own sins following their own civil war following 1865 which tore the US in half.

Too extreme :lol:

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