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31 Dec 2023, 7:23 am

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This is not the answer I was looking for, what I meant was: what guarantee do those who register with the state department want?

Regarding the issue of companionship for autistic people, I think the most fundamental issue is that they are unable to express love in a normal way. The secondary issues are a series of issues brought about by capitalism such as trendy taste, body shape, wealth, etc.


They are guaranteed free love. By registering themselves in the MAROF system, the autistic people won't face the consequences of the capitalist way of having love that is by the power of wealth and unrealistic body shapes which the bourgeois use in their agenda to profit off, especially during Valentine's Day. The bourgeois simply use these for their own gains but the people who are caught within this are often left miserable and feel insecure because of the fearmongering in the name of PROFIT.

Also, the mental wellbeing of autistic people is up to the appropriate institutions and that should be a matter for the hospitals and licensed therapists who have expertise when it comes to autism spectrum disorder. MAROF is not a hospital. MAROF focuses on family and relationships.

It sounds like you just want to get rid of loneliness, guess why these people are called autistic. If this is your purpose, treat it! Treat it as a disease and get rid of it.
As for people without disease, they are mutually exclusive simply because the differences between people are too great. Like I said,
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"The secondary problem is the fashion, body shape, wealth, etc. problems that capitalism brings."

If people live similar lives, even if there is some wealth gap, they will still eat in the same restaurants , sleeping in an adjacent house. Then they will naturally be attracted, and there is no need to add any extraneous details.

Are you fantasizing about adding elements of communism to a capitalist world? How does it survive and make a profit? This is a partially necessary condition for capitalism. Sounds like cure the symptoms, not the disease
As long as men and women still make choices in such a world, they will inevitably worship money. Wealth means good taste, health, entertainment, and greater personal space.


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31 Dec 2023, 7:32 am

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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
belijojo wrote:
This is not the answer I was looking for, what I meant was: what guarantee do those who register with the state department want?

Regarding the issue of companionship for autistic people, I think the most fundamental issue is that they are unable to express love in a normal way. The secondary issues are a series of issues brought about by capitalism such as trendy taste, body shape, wealth, etc.


They are guaranteed free love. By registering themselves in the MAROF system, the autistic people won't face the consequences of the capitalist way of having love that is by the power of wealth and unrealistic body shapes which the bourgeois use in their agenda to profit off, especially during Valentine's Day. The bourgeois simply use these for their own gains but the people who are caught within this are often left miserable and feel insecure because of the fearmongering in the name of PROFIT.

Also, the mental wellbeing of autistic people is up to the appropriate institutions and that should be a matter for the hospitals and licensed therapists who have expertise when it comes to autism spectrum disorder. MAROF is not a hospital. MAROF focuses on family and relationships.

It sounds like you just want to get rid of loneliness, guess why these people are called autistic. If this is your purpose, treat it! Treat it as a disease and get rid of it.
As for people without disease, they are mutually exclusive simply because the differences between people are too great. Like I said,
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"The secondary problem is the fashion, body shape, wealth, etc. problems that capitalism brings."

If people live similar lives, even if there is some wealth gap, they will still eat in the same restaurants , sleeping in an adjacent house. Then they will naturally be attracted, and there is no need to add any extraneous details.

Are you fantasizing about adding elements of communism to a capitalist world? How does it survive and make a profit? This is a partially necessary condition for capitalism. Sounds like cure the symptoms, not the disease


MAROF is not an economic system. It is a social system. And yes, the main purpose of implementing MAROF is to get rid of loneliness. I believe that capitalism is the cause of loneliness because of all of this bragging about people being rich and getting all the love they have because of this crazy money gives you power and love agenda. Why poor people can't get love? Because they're judged by the rich men. Why neurodivergent individuals are unable to get love? Because rich people see them as "undesirable" for the capitalist system. So they push their fear that neurodivergent people will rebel against the rich because they (the neurodivergents) claim that there is "injustice" and cause moral panic that will result in the persecution of these communities.

When the Nazis got to power, their Aktion T4 was carried out on disabled people from 1939 to 1945 in which up to 300,000 were killed by involuntary euthanasia. These people were deemed "undesirable" by the Nazis because the Nazis wanted a perfect "Aryan master race". Just like how the bourgeois wanted a perfect "capitalist" system, they will push fearmongering on those who they see as "undesirable" and make profit by targeting popular trends and use the weakpoints of the working class to keep them enslaved.

The point of MAROF is equal opportunity of love and comradeship and when people have genuine love for one another and do not consider money as their main factor of love, that is when capitalism will find itself surrounded and encircled and it will be torn apart.


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31 Dec 2023, 7:37 am

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As long as men and women still make choices in such a world, they will inevitably worship money. Wealth means good taste, health, entertainment, and greater personal space.


By wealth, you mean money needed for basic life needs and basic needs in a relationship. That is tolerable and that is something that you do but at the same time, you must be careful not to lavishly spend your money in your relationship since that will only spoil it and create an unstable money-dependent relationship that will inevitably lead to exploitation and doom.


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31 Dec 2023, 7:46 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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As long as men and women still make choices in such a world, they will inevitably worship money. Wealth means good taste, health, entertainment, and greater personal space.


By wealth, you mean money needed for basic life needs and basic needs in a relationship. That is tolerable and that is something that you do but at the same time, you must be careful not to lavishly spend your money in your relationship since that will only spoil it and create an unstable money-dependent relationship that will inevitably lead to exploitation and doom.

I have observed that money is the root cause and all other qualities are commodities. How can the poor among these people have good taste, health, entertainment, and greater private space. If the only thing standing between them is money, Romeo and Juliet have shown them.
My father occasionally stole, coupled with his inconsideration of other people's feelings, no artistic taste, and no concept of cleanliness. These qualities are brought about by poverty and are real.How do you allow such a person to fall in love freely.
Freedom and capitalism and happiness for all cannot coexist

I'm not sure whether your doctrine still recognizes that the economic base determines the superstructure


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31 Dec 2023, 7:56 am

belijojo wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
belijojo wrote:
As long as men and women still make choices in such a world, they will inevitably worship money. Wealth means good taste, health, entertainment, and greater personal space.


By wealth, you mean money needed for basic life needs and basic needs in a relationship. That is tolerable and that is something that you do but at the same time, you must be careful not to lavishly spend your money in your relationship since that will only spoil it and create an unstable money-dependent relationship that will inevitably lead to exploitation and doom.

I have observed that money is the root cause and all other qualities are commodities. How can the poor among these people have good taste, health, entertainment, and greater private space. If the only thing standing between them is money, Romeo and Juliet have shown them.
My father occasionally stole, coupled with his inconsideration of other people's feelings, no artistic taste, and no concept of cleanliness. These qualities are brought about by poverty and are real.How do you allow such a person to fall in love freely.
Freedom and capitalism and happiness for all cannot coexist


Capitalism is a system of inhumane profit for personal gain. It must be penalized at all costs. Just because you have money doesn't mean you are automatically a capitalist or a counter-revolutionary. The only "good taste" of the working class is when they're satisfied with living conditions such as having food, water, clothing, shelter, family, and love.

Let me quote Rousseau.

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Money buys everything, except morality and citizens.


Rousseau's meaning for this is that money has certain limitations. What he means is that you can't use money to buy friendships. You don't "buy people". You gain them with your morality. Money is a resource used for materialistic purposes and therefore it cannot be regarded as a vital resource for happiness of one man or the entire community.


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31 Dec 2023, 8:07 am

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I'm not sure whether your doctrine still recognizes that the economic base determines the superstructure


The relationship between the base and superstructure must be mutual. MAROF belongs in the superstructure since MAROF maintains the productivity of the working class by ensuring that they are content with their families and that they are also content with their partners and friends.

A human relationship can be considered to have some correlation with the base and superstructure. Both partners must maintain one another in order for them to remain productive such as helping one another and comforting one another in hard times. A sole man may find it hard to do it for himself since there is no available partner or family member to be there.


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31 Dec 2023, 8:11 am

Speaking of that, the structure of capitalism is clear for everyone. There is a famous anti-capitalist say and that is the following:

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We work for all
We feed all
We eat you
We shoot at you
We fool you
We rule you


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31 Dec 2023, 8:14 am

What Capitalism would tell me is that I am inferior (I am a middle-class) and that I must fight my way in this free-for-all competition in which basically by theory, "only the richest survive" which almost feels like a primitive and tribal way of living where as the "strongest survive" and "weak must die" but the only source of power is "money".

It shows that we are part of a system being practiced upon for THOUSANDS OF YEARS since the introduction of classes. From the slaveholder societies, to feudal societies, and now this is the current form of this "pyramid" that we are dealing with called Capitalism.


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31 Dec 2023, 3:10 pm

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It sounds like you just want to get rid of loneliness, guess why these people are called autistic. If this is your purpose, treat it! Treat it as a disease and get rid of it.

This. It's been working well for me for the last decade or so. I have more friends, more money, more sex etc. It requires discipline and hard work, but it's far simpler and easier to treat one's own disease than it is to restructure all of society to allow for an easier life for the diseased.


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31 Dec 2023, 3:38 pm

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belijojo wrote:
It sounds like you just want to get rid of loneliness, guess why these people are called autistic. If this is your purpose, treat it! Treat it as a disease and get rid of it.

This. It's been working well for me for the last decade or so. I have more friends, more money, more sex etc. It requires discipline and hard work, but it's far simpler and easier to treat one's own disease than it is to restructure all of society to allow for an easier life for the diseased.


Yes. Discipline and hard work! It is also what MAROF expects! No lazy couples! Everyone must be productive and be one the move. Also, eugenics vibes detected. The "restructuring" will cure the disease but no one will be killed because there will be no involuntary euthanasia on lonely people.


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31 Dec 2023, 3:42 pm

Here we are talking about the improvement of capitalism-clearly opposed, but not to smash it up. Given previous experiences with the British, the possibility of such reform exists, although I don't know why.So I can’t give any suggestions for modifications. If anyone could give me a website on this, I'd be grateful.


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31 Dec 2023, 3:49 pm

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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belijojo wrote:
It sounds like you just want to get rid of loneliness, guess why these people are called autistic. If this is your purpose, treat it! Treat it as a disease and get rid of it.

This. It's been working well for me for the last decade or so. I have more friends, more money, more sex etc. It requires discipline and hard work, but it's far simpler and easier to treat one's own disease than it is to restructure all of society to allow for an easier life for the diseased.


Yes. Discipline and hard work! It is also what MAROF expects! No lazy couples! Everyone must be productive and be one the move. Also, eugenics vibes detected. The "restructuring" will cure the disease but no one will be killed because there will be no involuntary euthanasia on lonely people.

Eugenics vibes? :roll:

Medicine; Hippocrates style. "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food."

I'm talking about actually treating ASD symptoms at their* root digestive cause in the intestines/colon.

*It is possible there are multiple causes of autism and that what works for me won't work for everyone. But based on reading medical studies indicating that there is a food sensitivity that 70% of people on the spectrum have, I believe this to be the cause of 70%+ of ASD cases and in my experience it is treatable.


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31 Dec 2023, 3:55 pm

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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
belijojo wrote:
It sounds like you just want to get rid of loneliness, guess why these people are called autistic. If this is your purpose, treat it! Treat it as a disease and get rid of it.

This. It's been working well for me for the last decade or so. I have more friends, more money, more sex etc. It requires discipline and hard work, but it's far simpler and easier to treat one's own disease than it is to restructure all of society to allow for an easier life for the diseased.


Yes. Discipline and hard work! It is also what MAROF expects! No lazy couples! Everyone must be productive and be one the move. Also, eugenics vibes detected. The "restructuring" will cure the disease but no one will be killed because there will be no involuntary euthanasia on lonely people.

Eugenics vibes? :roll:

Medicine; Hippocrates style. "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food."

I'm talking about actually treating ASD symptoms at their* root digestive cause in the intestines/colon.

*It is possible there are multiple causes of autism and that what works for me won't work for everyone. But based on reading medical studies indicating that there is a food sensitivity that 70% of people on the spectrum have, I believe this to be the cause of 70%+ of ASD cases and in my experience it is treatable.


Completely off-topic now that you've mentioned food.

I have ASD and I don't think medicine is enough to treat an autistic person. Autistic people like us also need comfort not just from medicine but from friends, partners, and families. I'm not establishing MAROF for the sake of only giving autistic people privileges. Once everyone has an opportunity for a friendship and relationship, no one will be privileged.


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31 Dec 2023, 3:58 pm

^^ Correlation does not equal causation.


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31 Dec 2023, 4:01 pm

This system is to solve loneliness, loneliness because the poor and the rich can not be together, the solution is to build a system to resist all forces that do not allow them to be together. Is that what you mean?
If so, is there a possibility that nothing will stop them from being together?


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This system is to solve loneliness, loneliness because the poor and the rich can not be together, the solution is to build a system to resist all forces that do not allow them to be together. Is that what you mean?
If so, is there a possibility that nothing will stop them from being together?


Yes! That is the main goal of MAROF. To solve Loneliness!


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