Why do Europeans seem to hate Christianity?
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BTW, when North Ireland or the Middle East are mentioned; I think we all know what that is. Anytime if we ever wonder why we have a separation of church and state you see why it makes sense looking at those particular places. Anything that involves religions discrimination or religious codes built into laws that effect people livelihood like land, employment, etc. its asking for some huge problems and in the case of Sharia holding an entire society back a good millennium.
The ACLU defends everyone's freedom of speech, not just anti-xian freedom of speech. Within the last year or two, they defended some girl in a southern state for wearing a cross at school, or something like that.
'Course, you won't hear that on faux news because it's so much easier to hate a simple target than a complex one.
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I dunno if this has been said already but most of the European Pagan cultures hate them because of the discrimination, force, torture, and murder that took place during the time of, for example, the crusades. Others do for other personal reasons. Which is entirely understandable.
Before the Crusades, actually. The Christianization of Northern Europe was extremely bloody. For instance, in the year 777 Charlemagne had 4,500 Saxons put to death when they refused baptism. At the turn of the milennium King Olaf of Norway also had reticent pagans tortured and killed, and kidnapped family members of prominent Icelandic citizens as part of his plan to force Iceland to convert.
Several popes, including Gregory IX and Innocent VIII, issued orders to kill cats. This probably contributed to the rapid spread of rodent-borne diseases, including the Black Plague.
And, in the 17th century, the populations of several German towns were decimated by witch hunts.
My family will not forget and will not forgive the atrocities done to our ancestors and their neighbours.
Europeans actually realise that there are like other people like living on the planet. Yes really, I kid you not. There is this pretty picture that shows what the world looks like, atlas I think they call it. If you guys are not to busy praying to George Bush's gun cabinet, maybe you should go buy one. See if you can find Iraq on it ... actually forget that, see if you can find America on it.
Hey buddy, the US is a large country. I know you can travel 100 miles in Europe, cross a couple borders, and consider yourself cultured. But it doesnt work that way here. The US is more diverse in every aspect than all of Europe. Maybe you should find other places to spend your time then on American websites.
If we are so stupid for having Bush as a leader, how stupid is the UK for choosing a leader that TAKES ORDERS from Bush? At least our guy is calling the shots. And Europe, and England in particular, has brought more bloodshed to the world than anybody. You even had a genocide on your continent 10 years ago for christs sake. Which, of course, the US had to bail you out of.
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Macbeth or rideforever, wanna give him a history lesson? I think you guys can handle him more than adequately.....
Besides, someone has to do it....
Also, a bit slow on the old uptake, Wigger me old boy. Those posts were from page 1. Never mind, you'll get there eventually.....
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To Astreja (and probably username88) : Thats quite a long time to hold a grudge, dont you think? After all, everybody involved is long dead, and would still be long dead even if there hadnt been any killings. Its sad to say that this sort of long term multi-generational grudge-holding is exactly why many people refuse to get on, and make peace. TBH unless there is still an unrectified injustice that has an actual effect on your current life, it seems futile to cling to such hatreds. After all, the Saxons did a good number killing Britons back in the day, and nobody seems to resent that these days. Likewise with the Romans and the Normans and the Spanish, or in fact anyone from several hundred years ago who invaded somewhere or killed someone.
To Wiggerbeater: The very fact that you can travel 100 miles here and find a completely different country with completely different customs, languages, history and architechture makes us more diverse than somewhere you can travel the same distance and still be in the same state. In fact its quite possible to travel 10 miles here and find very different cultures, accents, stories and points of view. THe fact that most of the buildings in the UK alone outdate your whole nation, and that there are more historically significant artifacts on my street than you'll find digging up ten square miles says a great deal.
Maybe we did have a poodle for a prime minister, but he dont work here anymore. Keep up
Maybe we brought a lot of bloodshed to the world, but we also brought a great deal of peace and contentment. (Did anyone really want the Thuggee cult around? WE could have not bothered turning our naval might against slavery if you prefer?
As for helping out with our genocides.. if you're referring to the whole Serbian debacle: That would be the conflict where the UN passed a resolution creating an arms embargo on Yugoslavia, supported by the UK, France and Russia, and your congress tried to have it lifted. Luckily Clinton saw that for the foolsihness it was and binned the idea. an Other than that, it was a NATO and UN operation, not an American one.
Also, given the post WW2 division of europe, as organised by Stalin and Roosevelt, with Churchhill pretty much sidelined, its quite possible to lay the blame for that conflict at the feet of the US, should we so choose.
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I was looking at the Peters Projection map of the Earth - the US isn't actually very big.
I am not blaming you for your lack of diversity, but the fact is that you are a very young country.
I agree 100%, no, let's make that 150% !
This is exactly the kind of attitude that is produced from a country that has no history. Like I said, in the UK our memories of WWI (for instance) are that it was a tragedy, an avertable disaster, that young men died horribly for nothing, that old men made very poor decisions, that nothing was gained, that it was an absurdity, that anything is better than that. We have poetry, anecdotes, and endless satire (undermining the establishment), and tea, to never let us forget what a mistake it was.
We do not say "Yeah we kicked some commie ass". It was a tragedy for all mankind.
LOL ya. We have states bigger than most countries in Europe. I know travelling from Switzerland to Italy or Luxembourg must be a huge culture shock.
I love how you always must reach into the past to find any glory about your country. It must be so disheartening.
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The Great War was also known as 'The war to end all wars'; unfortunately it wasn't the last, but with the loss of life and the brutality (mustard gas in particular, trench warfare and the massacre at Gallipoli) it hasn't been out-done.
The British civilization goes back as far as Roman times (or earlier) when the Romans invaded during Boadecea's (sp) reign, and has survived numerous battles, conquests (Norman, Spanish etc) and had an empire that spanned a quarter of the world at one stage. If not for Britain, America would probably have been founded by either the French or Spanish, and where would you be then? We in Australia may have been a British penal colony, but most of us are proud to have those links, plus we also had a lot of miners (Irish, Chinese) in our country's ancestry as well. So if I were you Wiggy, I wouldn't go pointing my finger at Europe and calling them names, when America is not only very insular, but has nowhere near the cultural diversity or historical background that Europe, or anyone else has, for that matter. Oh, and speaking of genocide, have you spoken to any Cherokee or Sioux people recently? We still have quite a few aboriginals around, discontented they may be, but they are still there.
Catching up? Or are you still on page 2.
Oh, BTW, examples of European culture - Beethoven, Brahms, The Beatles, pasta, champagne, tea etc.
Examples of American culture - Phillip Glass, South Park & The Simpsons.
Enough said.
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