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i think there are many lovely places in iran. mostly wherever ahmadinejad and khamenei aren't.


on the same coin, i think there are many lovely places here in the states. mostly wherever bush and the psycho christians aren't.

I just wanted to say that that video with the truck running over the kids arm has nothing to do with Sharia punishment. It’s an old video re-uploaded for propaganda.

If you watch the video carefully it’s obvious that the father is merely subjecting his child to a stunt performance (perhaps for money). You can see the blanket under the kid's arm prevents it from being crushed. Also, though he looks somewhat scared he doesn’t appear to be struggling at all. Hell, he isn’t even restrained. You’d think if he was about to get his arm cut off he would be screaming and fighting. While it's disturbing that a parent would do that to their child the kid wasn’t actually hurt.

It’s true that the Sharia punishment for certain crimes in certain countries is amputation of limbs but it definitely wouldn’t be done in the way shown in that video. Actually I doubt that punishment even applies to children. Even the Taliban weren't that barbaric.

Has anyone seen pics of the Green Zone in Iraq lately? Quite different indeed.

More unseen Iran pics:

http://images.google.com/images?q=Iran+Castillo

You called me ignorant yet you didn't deny most what I said about Iran.



I think you are smart enough to know very well that when I say 'Iranians interfering in Lebanon' I don't mean by Iranian normal citizens but I am referring to Iranian guards.
BUT as a Lebanese living under the dominion of Iranian intelligence/gvt every day , for me , Iranian gvt represents Iran . I don't care if there are 90% of your people who are open-minded yet they are coward enough to do nothing to change their regime. For me , the State of Iran is an enemy ....you want to change the ugly image of Iran? Then you the 90% should do something to change ...as long you do nothing then you are a part of this enemy nation. Sorry for this cruelty, but there 's no room of neutrality in this issue.





I have a lot of relatives who go frequently to Iran for the Mazarat (pilgrimages) , they told me about the minorities there and they told how many of your people are racist against the Arabs. I met some Iranians here and it seems that's true.






And what the Israeli Lobby has to do with the minorities' migration? If you believe that that the AIPAC is behind the minorities's migrations then you must be also of those who are brainwashed by , what I call it , the complex propaganda. The 'complex propaganda' is a anti-West/Israeli propaganda spread mainly in the arab and muslim countries to convince the people that most bad things happen in their countries are because of Israel or the West. I know a lot of such brainwashed people, ie.hezbollah supporters, don't understand me wrong, Israel is my enemy too , I am pissed off of these people who try to convince that Israel and USA are the only behind all the assassinations and the bad things happening in Lebanon while evidences show otherwise.

You want to convince me that israeli is the main reason of the minorities(including jews) migrations of Iran and not because of the harassments? Jews used to exist in Lebanon and most of them has left because of the harassments after the Israeli invasion and not because of Israel. I say that religious harassments are always the reason NUMBER 1 for a whole sect migration.





Like specimens who live in a Zoo , you are only allowed to do that only in place X but you are not allowed to that in all the other places. This is exactly what Dhimmi life is ...except that you don't pay Jizya in Iran anymore ...a little improvement but not enough.




I don't care , they should move their asses and make a change.





So you don't deny that Bahais are treated as s**t.



In what part of Iran you live?






hmmm




Thanks.



Don't blame the oil , many oil countries respect the free will of their people.





You pay the ticket's price , ok?



So let's summarize:

- You didn't deny that Bahais are treated as heretics.
- You didn't deny that your president is a puppet for Wali el Faqih
- You didn't denied that most reformists are not allowed to nominate themselves for the elections.(you commented nothing about that but silence= no denial)
- You didn't deny that there are special restrictions for Christians and Jews.
- You didn't commented about the restrictions of the non-muslims in the Iranian army ...so you didn't deny the fact.

Yet you called me ignorant....geeeez


As about the pool thing , I heard that from my grandparents who used to visit iran (and they are not ant-wali el faqih). I admit that I am not sure that such things is sill practiced nowadays but surely it existed some day in Iran.

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Telling people they should just overthrow their government is pretty simple minded. Revolutions are frequently long and bloody affairs and not something that takes place overnight.

not to mention the whole problem of the government being better armed and funded than any revolutionaries would be.

Very true, yet I don't care. I am just wishing the fall of the Iranian regime in way or another. Yet I really doubt about the number of 90% , I think it's exaggerated.

Extremists, moderates, and liberals exist in all societies. The current regime in Iran is completely the opposite of the Shah's rule.

A perfect example would be the hijab. During Reza Pahlavi's rule, women wearing the hijab would have it torn off their heads. Now, a woman not wearing the hijab, is punished.

Most extremists forget Islam's concepts of freedom, liberalism, and tolerance exist. Or rather, they ignore it.

Was the Shah's rule moderate or liberal? No. Freedom did not exist during his rule. Is the Islamic republic moderate or liberal? No. Freedom does not exist.

All regimes that fall are (most of the time) replaced with regimes that are just as bad or worse. True freedom has never existed, and will never exist, not even in times of anarchy. Somalia is a perfect example of that.

The best people can do in that case is have a fair trade off of dignity, autonomy, and safety vs. what they have to compromise to keep things in that order and how fair they feel those compromises are to their society in general. Your right though, anarchy is one of those things that can only exist for a second - its like life itself is designed for heirarchy and when there is something close to anarchy its quite often the worst human traits imaginable coming out (not the general populace as much as whoever wants to take theirs while they can or whoever wants a power-grab for the region).

Yeah, it usually turns out that the powers that be keep making life harder for people in most places stay in power till old age sets in, then it really comes down to how much the future generations either have the same views or don't. Cultural currents and social constructs really seem to be the only way to make stable changes, future generations gain power and they're of a different mindset. Fluke events that completely spin the axis of control just by swaying opinion - they happen but they're a bit rare to be depended on much.

I did but apparently I was talking to myself, since you skipped over all of it.



You just said because they represent Iran (just after you’ve stated that our candidates can’t run in the elections and most of the positions are not elective at all) then it must mean the people are like that too. So are you contradicting yourself or what?
Why don’t you throw out the Iranian guards and Hezbollah extremists out so your country could prosper again? See it’s not that easy? We do want the change, that’s why our parents revolted against the shah regime, but look what happened, and then we had that long 8 year puppet war with Iraq, the mass murders of the dissident in 80s and 90s, you tell me if you wouldn’t be exhausted. Yes we do want them gone, but am I willing to and/or watch my family be raped and tortured and killed? I don’t really, so if that makes me a coward than yes I am a coward to not want see the souls and bodies of my family and friends ripped to pieces. Our only way out is going to take years and years and we would need the support of other countries. If they would remove the sanctions that affect the people and instead stop buying the oil then there might be a chance for us.




Yes most of our people are raciest against Arabs, you know why? Because they (not me) blame them for Islam, they blame them for their lack of culture, they hate them for stealing our underage girls and raping them, and the list goes on….but people don’t count Lebanon’s Arabs the same as the ones from UAM, Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait and… if you should know, so those people probably didn’t know your relatives were Lebanese.




See that’s why I called you ignorant, because of your assumptions. No I don’t “believe” they are behind it. I “know” they are behind it. As I told you I have friends who follow other religions and they are the ones who told me Aipac is offering the minorities all that if they migrate from Iran, so see? All false assumptions. And no I do blame our own people for the current situation, but I also see the daily suffering they go through and how numb they’ve become because of all the pain especially after president khatami abandoned the students who were fighting the government. As I was for a long time. It’s not easy to heal from being stabbed in the back by someone you had put all your hopes on. and yes a lot of jews did leave right after the revolution but the recent ones are doing it because of the money as a lot of Muslims were pretending to have changed their religions to be able to leave too. and the west has done a whole lot of horrible thing to our country, if you want to I'll send you some useful links. heck the even apologized for some of them recently.



But don’t you get it? “We” Muslims and others who are not followers of abrahamic religions don’t even have those. So if they are 2ed grade citizens we’re even of less statue. And what the heck is jizya?


Again if you have a problem why don’t you act on what you’re preaching?




Yes, I admitted that and again just above, though I’ve only heard of it, as I don’t know any.




I live in Tehran, I have many Muslim acquaintances, and they are secular, because everyone hates the mullahs.






Name a Muslim one whose main income comes from oil please.



If I had money dear, I wouldn’t be here, would I?






No but I said that we all are , for them it’s just a little worse, heck if I went around telling the government people I’m not a Muslim or am but want a regime change, disagree with something the supreme leader’ or whomever else has said or what not I’d be tortured and killed too.

No darling, he doesn’t follow the supreme leader; he’s a dangerous delusional man who wants to bring on the Armageddon.

Yes because that was not what I called you ignorant about. As that’s true and the whole world knows it. I don’t even know why they bother with the elections.

Yes I did, because there isn’t, any restrictions as I told you before is for all of us, Muslim or not.

This one I don’t even know what you’re talking about? Why on earth would they want to be part of the government’s army anyway?

^^^^^^


Huh and here I thought we were talking about now, because we also had the first declaration of human rights and it was followed back then, what does that have to do with the disaster going on right now?

And that’s not just 10 percent of people, they are the 10 percent richest, most powerful, with all the military power, and natural/industrial resources at their hands. So just how do you suggest we throw them out with empty hand?

Let's close the ignorance insult part




No , I am not contradicting myself. Again :I don't care if there are 90% of your people who are liberal open-minded yet they are coward enough to do nothing to change their regime. To me, the State of Iran is an enemy





No , it's not easy at all....do you know why? Do you know how much Hezbullah represents of the Lebanese Shiite community today? about 90%! The guy who's writing to you right now only represents the opinions of the 10%....that's why we can do nothing my dear. The shiite community were like all the other Lebanese communities before 1982 , liberals and normal humans beings ....you couldn't even differentiate between them. Thanks to the 10000 Iran guards (who sneaked during the civil war using arabic names) and thanks to their domination of the Lebanese Shiite community by dominating all the shiite institutions of educations and religion and by exploiting the resistance cause and by destroying and weakling all the other opposing shiite parties , as a result most of my sect has turned to radical zombies , the rate of hijab (which is supposed to be voluntarily here) has increased 80% among shiites here . It's very likely that the next civil war in Lebanon would be between these Hezbullah zombies vs all the other sects.
As for me , I am different thanks to my parents who decided to put me in a secular French school away from our environment . My parents always hated radicals and their influence.

Heck, even my uncles has changed too much during the last 10 years , one my uncles was trying to convince me to join Hezbullah and get trainings in Iran as a step to the creating of the 'Shiite State'. Can you imagine that? They've even become separatists. In short, Hezollah are a branch of Revolutionary Guards

The Shiites of Lebanon will be doomed , they'll doom themselves. It will be almost impossible to undo the effect of the brainwashing. My only concern now is to prevent them to doom whole Lebanon with them.

I think now you are getting how dark our situation is.

You said that your opinion represents 90% so it's extremly unfair to compare your situation with mine .




I already saw many dead bodies ,some are even ripped. The last time was during the war of July 2006 , the Israeli war that was intentionally triggered by Hezubllah (which doesn't make any action without the divine permission of Iran's Ayatollah). Lebanon was sent 20 years backward because this war after ir was prospering amazingly.

Look at this to get an idea: http://www.indexmundi.com/lebanon/gdp_r ... _rate.html

Sad, isn't it?





Wait, so muslim Iranians hate Islam now? :-/ I hate Islam too because I am atheist but well ....what you said is weird.



Elaborate more about this accusation, don't the Afghans and Pakistanis workers in Iran do the same? And why the wealthy men of the Gulf countries (who can marry 4 women each) would be interested in raping your girls? Such crimes do happen in Lebanon too but mostly by the poor Syrian/Palestinians workers here ....never heard of a Gulf tourist/businessman rapped a girl here , they take a lot of brides here tho lol .These Gulf bastards are already sexually satisfied and too wealthy to afford the total of the prostitutes in middle-east.

No ,dear. Your people is racist because of historical reason. You have superiority attitude toward arabs ....this is the remnants of the Persian empire's attitude and it's because you think semitics are inferior ....my relatives got remarks about their semitic origin , you even still call the Arab Gulf as Persian Gulf. You just showed racism against arabs by calling them to have 'lack of culture' ?I don't like Gulf Arabs that much , but please elaborate more by what you mean of 'lack or culture'?





Oh , poor you.



Google it.



This is a silly attempt of generalizing ....the muslims of YOUR country don't get income of oil but I never and I said NEVER met a poor muslim UAE/Kuwaiti/Bahrainian...Gulf citizen , and I am not all talking about the businessmen and tourists who come to me but even the citizens that I met when I visited Dubai. My friends who work in the other Gulf countries told me that poverty is a very rare where they work. Really the wealth of the people that I witnessed there way exceed the wealth of any American or European citizen. There's no middle class in the Gulf countries,the vast majority of them are rich and only the very few are poor (and usually are from other origins).




I don't have money either . Even if I do , I won't spend them on a flight ticket to Iran.




I care not if he licks his ass or just his hand, f**k them both.




It's the basic right to any citizen to join the army and be treated and to be ranked according to their services and not according to their sects.




^_^ cute

persian girls are hot

I think it surprises alot of westerners just how modern and beautiful Iran is, Tehran looks like cities in the western states, looks like some very good snowboarding hills close to the city. Who knows, Tehran could be a future olympic site

First of all we are all to some level ignorant, I may be even much more than you. But I try to not make assumptions, as say about your people until I have true knowledge and clarity of how things stand there, and that is all I'm wishing you would do too, instead of just passing judgments, as I wish myself to do toward you and anybody else; though I may fail most of the times. But at least I try to acknowledge it and try harder next time. So though I did not mean in anyway to insult you, I do wish you to forgive me if that is how it came off to you. Sometimes the words I use carry a different meaning or implications to other people that I'm unaware of and I have been called on it before, so here I apologize if the same has happened with you.

That is your opinion and you have a right to it, but just remember not at the cost of others. A human being is a human being;do you truly see yourself as just and wise enough to decide on other peoples fates?


Believe me, I cried for the Lebanon and the Lebanese people after that horrible bombing of civil areas and structures during the war of July 2006(and because Hezbollah triggered it doesn't give Israel the right to do any crime it wishes to; two wrongs don't make a right!) I'm not really a nationalist, for me every being is important as the next…so who am I to decide whether the Iranians should suffer for you to have a better life or vice versa, I am ever and only responsible for my own actions and the effects they have on other beings, so It is not for me to decide who should be sacrificed, I have so far done what could have been expected of me, but I can not decide for others, everyone has freewill and how they decide to live their lives is ultimately of their own choosing and I have not the qualifications nor the right to judge them on it or decide on it for them.


I told you Iran is a country of contradictions, I don't know how it works, but that's just the way it is.


Oh, believe me they do, Iranian girls have the highest prices in the gulf countries, especially if they are underage and virgin. I suppose it does come from an inferiority complex or something. The Afghans usually have been caught molesting and murdering little boys, but I believe it has been exaggerated as if our own people don't do just as horrid things.



Not really, I mean Jews are Semitics but no one(that I know of) looks down at Jews here . And I have been to the gulf countries and their cultures(among the Arab natives) are rather barbaric still so I chose to call it a lack of, not that all people in Iran are cultured, there are many sick people here especially in rural areas that don't have signs of any culture or morality, so in that case our people might be being unjust by closing their eyes on our own faults and mistakes and pointing only to those of others and choosing to blame others for what is the consequence of their own doings, but again don't we all do that to some level?

And my dear, according to every historical evidence it has been the Persian Gulf for thousands of years, and it will always be so. It won't be changed just because some Arab leaders decided to call it otherwise. It's still called the Persian Gulf on every decent international map primarily, and if it wasn't for the pathetic current statue of Iran in the international community, the other false name wouldn't be heard of anywhere outside of Arab communities. Not that it matters anyway, but why do you insist on changing its name to something else?


I am not poor, but it is no joy in life to be treated as less than human from people who "seem" unworthy of the name. I didn't mean to wallow in self-pity, just to state the facts. Do you know how it feels always having to pretend to be something you hate, just to survive? It tears away at ones soul.but what happen in my life , I ultimately consider as the result of my own actions, so I know this complaining is a stupid thing to do. it is a way to run from responsibility for a lot of people, and I am unfortunately guilty of it myself too.


Who was talking about wealth? I thought we were talking about human rights. I was asking you to name one that truly respects the rights of their citizens.
And did you know that as of this year near 60 percent of the Iranian people are falling below the poverty line when the oil price has been exceeding 100$? You tell me if that's not a tragedy.
Plus the gulf countries are much smaller countries than Iran so the whole situation is different.


Well there are a lot of beautiful things in this country that you would loose the chance to see. But you would be making the right decision, as I wouldn't travel to Lebanon (though I wanted to go since my mom went there some years ago) as the current situation stands.


You know I have wished them ill many times myself, but that has only left me feeling guilty, because monsters they may be I am not one or at least I hope so that I'm not. So I only wish that they should come out of their misery and ignorance the best way for them and every other being they affect. As that is the strongest weapon against them.


I'm just saying there are more important primary human issues than the freaking ranking in the army. and though I know it's a controversial opinion and I don't mean to say all army people are bad people, I consider soldiers human killing machines and murderers as that is what they do, regardless of the reasons they do it for. Killing people is what they do. and they also willingly give their freewill up. Those are two things I shall never understand why a person might want to do willingly, and the higher rank the bigger responsibility for the action of yourself and others who follow your orders. So if anything I'm all for the law that wouldn't let anyone have the power to legally harm another being just because they've been "ordered" so.