'Fascism, Anyone?' article points out some scary signs!! !

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26 Oct 2005, 5:05 pm

HarryofSheringham wrote:

Well as another Brit I agree the evidence is often downplayed. However this is largely because there is no evidence of Saddam supporting terrorism. Saddam was a secular dictator in a Muslim country. He wouldnt sponsor Islamic terrorism as it would have been more than happy to bring him down.

No evidence? What about the article I posted above?
Yes, Saddam was not a very religious man. Iraq was most likely not Islamic enough for Al Qaeda's liking, but it was (and is) still a Muslim country, and - as the article above explains - "Saddam Hussein and bin Laden reached an "understanding" that Islamic radicals would refrain from attacking the Iraqi regime in exchange for unspecified assistance, including weapons development."

Click here for more evidence.
In case the link doesn't work, here is an excerpt:

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[Abu] Nidal lived comfortably in Iraq between 1999 and August 2002. As the Associated Press reported on August 21, 2002, Nidal’s Beirut office said he entered Iraq “with the full knowledge and preparations of the Iraqi authorities.” 13 Prior to his relocation, he ran the eponymous Abu Nidal Organization — a Palestinian terror network behind attacks in 20 countries, at least 407 confirmed murders, and some 788 other terror-related injuries. Among other savage acts, Nidal’s group used guns and grenades to attack a ticket counter at Rome’s Leonardo da Vinci airport on December 27, 1985. Another cell in Austria simultaneously assaulted Vienna’s airport, killing 19 people.

So far, we have documented that Saddam Hussein harbored terrorists (many with al-Qaeda links) responsible for international mayhem and even the incidental deaths of Americans. But is there any evidence that Iraq sheltered those responsible for attacks on America?
Enter Abdul Rahman Yasin
This Indiana-born, Iraqi-reared terrorist remains wanted by the FBI for his role in the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center attack. President Bill Clinton's Justice Department indicted Yasin for mixing the chemicals in the bomb that exploded in the parking garage beneath the Twin Towers, killing six and injuring 1,042 people in New York.
Soon after the smoke cleared, Yasin returned to Iraq. Coalition forces have discovered documents that show he enjoyed housing and a monthly government salary.

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27 Oct 2005, 8:20 am

Klytus wrote:

lenny77 wrote:

i see a lot of fear in the western world and especially in the "United States of Angst"
without fear there wont be a war against terror in countries like iraq which wasnt related to islamist terrorism until hussein was deprived of his power.

It is simply astounding that virtually none of this has ever been reported in Britain. Isn't there anyone in the British mainstream media, not one single proper journalist or editor who is prepared to start putting this material into the public domain?

one possible answer to your question is: because these "evidences" are constructed by secret service to justify the war on iraq. (just like the "evidences" powell held in his hand at the speech before the un security council...)

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27 Oct 2005, 8:28 am

How about the Halliburton Talliban connection, and the Halliburton Iraqi Oil Connection.
These connections seem a lot more relevant with the current status of affairs in both regions.
We could also add the Halliburton Saudi connection.

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27 Oct 2005, 9:03 am

irishmic wrote:

ab-so-lutely!! i fully agree

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27 Oct 2005, 1:24 pm

Halliburton seems connected to every dodgy regime!!

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27 Oct 2005, 4:09 pm

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Halliburton seems connected to every dodgy regime!!

They pay their employees well though.

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30 Oct 2005, 4:06 am

Sean wrote:

RobertN wrote:

Halliburton seems connected to every dodgy regime!!

They pay their employees well though.

[irony]wow! finally an argument, that fully convinces me...[/irony] :roll:

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30 Oct 2005, 4:14 am

lol.

every time i see "halliburton" here, i think of "haliborange", a vitamin C sweet tablet given to kids, certainly when i was young (possibly still). makes me grin. just thought i'd share that... :roll:

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30 Oct 2005, 4:31 am

I am sorry that RobertN is right that Halliburton is doing business with every bad regime on the face of the earth even Iran too.

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01 Nov 2005, 5:47 am

Bec wrote:

Today I came across an article called 'Fascism, Anyone?' by Laurence W. Britt. Britt studied several fascist governments. He studied Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, Salazar's Portugal, Papadopoulos's Greece, Pinochet's Chile, Suharto's Indonesia.

He missed out 2 very important ones. Bush's America and Brown/Blair's Britain

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01 Nov 2005, 5:52 am

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3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the peoples attention from other problems, to shift blame forfailures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions.

lets see... al qaeda?

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01 Nov 2005, 6:02 am

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12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
The police often had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse.

*cough* de Menezes *cough*

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01 Nov 2005, 6:14 am

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Bec wrote:

lets see... al qaeda?

Al Qaeda are our enemy. They are not scapegoats.
Are you implying that they don't exist?! !

Islamofascists are murdering people all over the world, although you might not realise it from watching the news, because much of the time the Islamofascists are laughably referred to as simply "militants" or "extremists", and their religious affiliation is only mentioned in passing, if at all.

By the way, assassin, I presume you know where the word assassin comes from?

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From http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assassin

Word History: At first glance, one would be hard-pressed to find a link between pleasure and the acts of assassins. Such was not the case, however, with those who gave us the word assassin. They were members of a secret Islamic order originating in the 11th century who believed it was a religious duty to harass and murder their enemies. The most important members of the order were those who actually did the killing. Having been promised paradise in return for dying in action, the killers, it is said, were made to yearn for paradise by being given a life of pleasure that included the use of hashish. From this came the name for the secret order as a whole, an, “hashish users.” After passing through French or Italian, the word came into English and is recorded in 1603 with reference to the Muslim Assassins.

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02 Nov 2005, 5:47 am

I agree. to describe terrorists as scapegoats is ludicrous.

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02 Nov 2005, 8:00 am

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And also I havent seen any proof that those exist today like for example "Normal and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime."

err... patriot act? your saying that dosent fit those criteria?

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03 Nov 2005, 6:37 am

Sean wrote:

we have legal safeguards that protect people from having the government tell them what they can and can't say

Id say the Patriot Act was a legal safeguard to protect the government from whatever they dont like the people saying

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