Why I don't support the troops.

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26 May 2008, 1:20 pm

skafather84 wrote:

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Sorry, I don't know about Westboro Baptist, so your allusion went right past me. Anyways, I tend not to get along too well with fundies, which I'm guessing Westboro would be.

But anyways, please elaborate on how I would fit in there. :roll:

westboro protests soldiers' funerals implying their death was a result of god hating gays.

I'm fine with gay marriage and whatnot. And I'm not one to make a mockery of anyone mourning for a loved one. That's just sick. I'm still not quite sure where the connection's being made... I'm pretty tolerant of other people's views. I'm Protestant, but I have friends who are Mormon, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, etc.

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26 May 2008, 1:23 pm

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Westboro hates the troops, celebrates whenever someone is brought home in a box. They are unworthy of the freedoms they enjoy, ironically provided by brave men & women few who put their lives on the line to ensure that this blatant undermining and disrespect can continue. Freedom is freedom, I guess.

I will NEVER celebrate anyone's death, regardless of how I feel about them. Human life is human life. But I still take issue with your claim that the soldiers are ensuring that those freedoms remain intact... I simply haven't seen that happening.

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26 May 2008, 1:25 pm

the soldiers are fighting to protect the ideal that is democracy and free speech, free association, etc. the very freedoms which wbc exploits

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26 May 2008, 1:25 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

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westboro protests soldiers' funerals implying their death was a result of god hating gays.

just the presence of gays is enough for them to be mad. it's kinda like when ahmadinejad came here and was going "what are these gays that you are talking about, our country doesn't have gays". of course we know the truth of the matter is that they execute gays under sodomy laws (which westboro would also love).

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26 May 2008, 1:28 pm

slowmutant wrote:

the soldiers are fighting to protect the ideal that is democracy and free speech, free association, etc.

That's a catchphrase. I want a better reason than empty rhetoric.

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26 May 2008, 1:30 pm

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my father was born in 1960- almost 50 years ago. Looking back over history, I can't find anything the US military has done in that time to defend Americans' liberty.

um, you do remember the vietnam conflict, right?

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26 May 2008, 1:34 pm

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Really? I didn't mean it to sound like one. It's empty rhetoric only because you disagree with it.

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26 May 2008, 1:38 pm

grain-and-field wrote:

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my father was born in 1960- almost 50 years ago. Looking back over history, I can't find anything the US military has done in that time to defend Americans' liberty.

um, you do remember the vietnam conflict, right?

Yeah, from my point of view that just supports Orwell's point. Vietnam was a very stupid war that didn't benefit America at all, or spread some abstract concept of liberty. You just can't deliver enlightenment with the barrel of a gun, and any attempt to do so should make you question the value of what you are trying to force on other people.

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26 May 2008, 1:42 pm

Orwell wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

the soldiers are fighting to protect the ideal that is democracy and free speech, free association, etc.

That's a catchphrase. I want a better reason than empty rhetoric.

it is pretty empty considering those same brainwashed pawns would be the first to harm us and our freedoms if the government decides to enact any kind of martial law on the country.

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26 May 2008, 1:47 pm

grain-and-field wrote:

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my father was born in 1960- almost 50 years ago. Looking back over history, I can't find anything the US military has done in that time to defend Americans' liberty.

um, you do remember the vietnam conflict, right?

Are you seriously using a war to preserve French imperialism after the French had already given up as an example of why I should support the military?

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26 May 2008, 2:09 pm

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Are you seriously using a war to preserve French imperialism after the French had already given up as an example of why I should support the military?

um, yes?

I mean, thats a good thing right?

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26 May 2008, 2:15 pm

grain-and-field wrote:

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grain-and-field wrote:

um, you do remember the vietnam conflict, right?

Are you seriously using a war to preserve French imperialism after the French had already given up as an example of why I should support the military?

um, yes?

Why? How could that possibly advance your argument?

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26 May 2008, 2:38 pm

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Why? How could that possibly advance your argument?

Look, I will get back to you about this topic when you explain your opinions even further in this thread, as Im sure you will.
right now I dont know..how to....explain my point of view.

I think I need to hear more about your standpoint on this issue.

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26 May 2008, 2:44 pm

Well, it's pretty much universally regarded that Vietnam had nothing to do with protecting America or promoting freedom... which is why I wondered why you would bring it up as an example of what the military has done to protect Americans' liberty.

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26 May 2008, 2:50 pm

protecting america's freedoms would be best served in the form of disallowing those with dual citizenship to hold political office.

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26 May 2008, 3:27 pm

it seems to me that vietnam was a war deliberately started for no other reason than having a war. i suppose the same might be said about iraq.

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