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This discussion is a perfect example of how it is possible to prove any point by looking at a thing from a different angle. I'm surprised the Christians on WP haven't been accused of being ritualitsic cannibals or drinkers of human blood.

Maybe not the variety that believes in a date of creation at 23-10-4004BC, but unless you were just playing devil's advocate for about two solid weeks of nonstop debate, you are a YEC. Or are you one of those "old-Earth creationists?"

Either way, my initial comment on the hypocrisy of your post stands.

Many people like to claim that the Bible has been "rewritten," but they don't typically like to provide any evidence for these claims.

If the bible is only literature then what are you worrying about?


Translations in my opinion are NOT reliable. They are interpretations. Unless a translation has excerpts, quotes, original verse, definitions, and separate information of the mythologies, it is not trustworthy. It must have a thorough explanation of the text.

I can't be concerned with the cultural implications of one of the most influential texts to be assembled in human history?

The majority of Americans profess to some level and variant of Christianity. Not all of them are biggoted morons. . . in fact, I'd really like to believe that most of them aren't.

It seems worthy of effort in understanding.


By the way, thank you, everyone, for your input; I really appreciate it.

I think it's worth while to try to understand how other people approach important issues, even if they aren't going to force their views on me.

Also, I disagree with pretty much everything else you said as well.

Well, yes, except when proven fact comes into play.
Truth is not a democracy. It is exclusive by its very nature.

This is a very odd comment to come from a YEC.

Opinions are well and good, but they're not the end-all determiner of reality.

the reference for veiling that you listed, from Corinthians, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I first encountered it when I was a young teenager. .. the way I read it then was as a clear implication that women are as far below men as men below God. . (men should have short hair, less covering, as befits their station--because they are the glory of god; women should have long hair and a covering, as befits theirs, merely being the glory of men.) I was pretty pissed off. .. it made me want to cut my hair.

btw jainaday did the righting of paul make you want to cut your hair or did your pride? if it is pride then that is sin.

1 Corinthians 11
1Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.