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05 Jun 2008, 7:35 pm

It's one of the fundamental beliefs of our system. The Universe existed long before any of us; without us there can be no concept of spirituality or theism. Animals don't have a need for religion or god, god is there because humans created 'him'. Everyone could still function perfectly well without a god or religion, it's just that they are used as a crutch when times are sh***y and people want some hope.

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05 Jun 2008, 7:37 pm

Are you saying you could do without paganism?

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05 Jun 2008, 7:56 pm

I could, but I CHOOSE not to, which is my point entirely. Which is why you are a Christian; you chose to go down that path. Your first words when you were born weren't 'Hallelujah Jesus, I am here, now I'm on the way to spiritual fulfillment' implying you were born that way. For whatever reason, you chose your path. I chose to realise my paganism, and therefore take what is in store. I could have chosen differently or nothing, but Karma must have had it in mind for me to be pagan. They are beliefs, afterall.

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05 Jun 2008, 11:37 pm

I don't think I could do without my faith, FWIW.

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06 Jun 2008, 1:48 am

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What do the letters/runes/heiroglyphs say/spell?

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Phoenician letters, note that it's an alphabetic language.

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Phoenician became one of the most widely used writing systems, spread by Phoenician merchants across the Mediterranean world, where it was assimilated by many other cultures and evolved. Many modern writing systems thought to have descended from Phoenician cover much of the world. The Aramaic alphabet, a modified form of Phoenician, was the ancestor of the modern Arabic and Hebrew scripts, as well as the Brāhmī script, the parent writing system of most modern abugidas in India, Southeast Asia, Tibet, and Mongolia. The Greek alphabet (and by extension its descendants such as the Latin, the Cyrillic and the Coptic), was a direct successor of Phoenician, though certain letter values were changed to represent vowels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

That proves that Lebanon is not a part of the jewish promised land so the dream of Zionism of a Greater Israel is just s**t =)

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06 Jun 2008, 12:54 pm

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One thing about so-called creation that may have slipped peoples' minds....

To be created, you must first have a physical form to work with, so therefore to create humans (take the Christian example) god would therefore have to have a physical form to wield and work the materials necessary to make a human appear. Humans, as with other physical objects CANNOT just appear from nowhere, otherwise, why aren't any of us anywhere else in the universe? Supernatural beings only exist because the human mind has created them. Those that see ghosts only see them because their minds are susceptible to the concept of such things. Everyone would see them, otherwise. The FORMATION of the Universe had more to do with chemical and atomic/sub-atomic reactions that anything to do with supernatural beings.

To clarify my position: Whenever I use Create or Creation, or even Creator, these are symbolic terms only. If it is interpreted literally, it means that there is a "Being" of some sort doing the creation which in turns would imply that this Being too would have to have a "Fashioner" of some sort.

It is the reason why I find the "Intelligent Design" argument ridiculous, for It too would require a designer.

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06 Jun 2008, 12:59 pm

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i'd apperciate it if you explained your views sometime, though. you dont' have to do it in public if you don't want to...you could just PM it to me....but i would like to get a better picture of where you're coming from. and i didn't mean to imply you were a christian in the initial post before...i'm just very used to hearing that kind of argument from christians in general...though that's obviously more demographics than it is a particular belief that engenders such a question as "who created those gods" or anything like that.

First, I was aware you were joking in your last couple of posts.

Now, if you can identify correctly the religion of Kabir, that is my identity.

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06 Jun 2008, 1:04 pm

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i scratch out god on every bill that passes through me. it violates the first amendment.

it wasn't even originally on the currency but added later. same with the pledge.

Technically that's damaging govt. property, defacing a dollar bill.

Do you hate God that much, ska?

nope. it's protected under the first amendment as a protest of the government not protecting my first amendment rights.

not to mention the whole defacing law deals with trying to defraud the government and producing counterfeit bills...nothing to do with pen marks or anything.

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06 Jun 2008, 1:18 pm

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First, I was aware you were joking in your last couple of posts.

Now, if you can identify correctly the religion of Kabir, that is my identity.

thanks, i'll be sure to read into it.

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06 Jun 2008, 1:25 pm

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thanks, i'll be sure to read into it.

I would suggest you begin reading into Adi Sankara. His philosophy is closer to mine (non-dualism) in fact I follow the principle of it, but I chose Kabira because he had no identity to which others could easily classify him while Shankaracharya was basically a Hindu.

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06 Jun 2008, 3:55 pm

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You make the mistake of assuming the Designer is suibject to the limitations of time & space. The only way the Designer could be eternal and undesigned would be if He existed outside of all space & time. Why is infinity such a difficult concept for you?

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06 Jun 2008, 4:32 pm

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There cannot be a Designer because such a designer would have similar faculties as us. I will not prostrate myself before things that live or die.

We came into being somehow, I am not going to speculate. We are here, and that is it. I use the term Creation because it is readily understood, although subjected to misinterpretations. However, there cannot be a literal Creation as in design/fashion. Such an objective is left to the demigods, and even they would know they have a Creator.

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