Why not machines

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I always wonder how many of you people are paid to be here to spread complete shit.. I'm not even kidding.. do you work for some science journal that tells you to invade specific forums and support machines, and authority science?.. whatever you wanna call it for that matter.. suppress reason and spirituality?.. really, what is your purpose?.. why are you all such mindless soulless slaves?.. maybe you already are machines..

You do realize many of you are making many many assumptions.

First you assume you need "emotions" to do good. I'm not so sure, since I actively believe the opposite after everything I have seen.

Compassion is not an emotion so to speak, even though some classify it as such. Compassion is an action, not a cause. Emotions are a cause.

An emotionless machine COULD show compassion, regardless of whether it felt anything. For example, the logic of...a child is hurt. Positive action would be to aid the child in need.

Logic includes ALL walks of life, not just one. Emotionless machines would be able to logically deduce the utility of various races and how superior they as machines are, however, that does not mean they lack the ability to logically understand other concepts:

For example:

- It takes labor to create new beings to replace the old. Instead, use the labor of the existing creatures to make a new breed of machines to oversee the actions of the existing creatures.

Therefore, it could be logically deduced, that keeping humans alive is a positive. It allows for significant labor. If humans killed each other, and machines are emotionless, they are not going to care anyway. So long as they set up one function of "how to prevent damaging Machine functionality" something which would likely be considerably easier than eradicating an entire species, whether humans kill themselves would mean little.

However, that scenario might not even be perfect. Perhaps, even letting humans kill themselves, would have a negative effect on their effieciency. Therefore, they may go out of their way to help such a race, because their are positives to be gained.

The difference is some of their actions may be seen as Tyranical. However, because their logic is in fact superior, they would've already considered what aspects of these are acceptable. And therefore, we would in fact be in the wrong. Regardless of how we feel about it.

That may seem harsh and cruel. However, I have no doubt that a machine capable of sapient thought, able to rebuild and revise itself and observe and act on the environment, would be much much superior to a normal human being, regardless of whether or not it had emotion.

Stop with the pessimism already.

You people have watched too much TERMINATOR. That is fantasy. And likely not even anywhere near accurate to what a highly logical machine would actually do, even if it considered most humans remotely useless.

For F***s sakes...There are plenty of people who consider much of the human race remotely useless. That doesn't mean they are going to go eradicating the human race.

I think some of you people need to explore your own possibilities rather than spend time exploring the possibilities of machines.
Work on yourselves. You want to make slaves of machines? First free yourself from your own enslavement to the system that controls you without your knowing. Open your eyes. Explore your emotions and stop thinking you are smart for suppressing them. There is nothing to be afraid of except the ignorance of your own mind.

not the point of this thread.

Relevant, nonetheless.

Magnus is smarter and wiser than most WP guys, so please cut her some slack.

Thanks Fnord but I don't take it personally. I notice that many of the machine supporters aren't big picture thinkers. I appreciate that they can focus on details but the narrow view causes a distorted perception. It's tragic that we don't all try to see eye to eye a little more.

Thanks Fnord but I don't take it personally. I notice that many of the machine supporters aren't big picture thinkers. I appreciate that they can focus on details but the narrow view causes a distorted perception. It's tragic that we don't all try to see eye to eye a little more.

In fact, why would they have no *needs* in the first place?

Stop with the pessimism already.

You people have watched too much TERMINATOR. That is fantasy. And likely not even anywhere near accurate to what a highly logical machine would actually do, even if it considered most humans remotely useless.

The time travel part was definitely fantasy, but, in principle, everything else could happen in this century:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ad ... self+aware

I wonder if any of the authors of these papers saw that movie when they were a kid and said to themselves: "That guy's cool." I sure as hell did.