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05 Oct 2008, 2:49 am

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And, anyway, Heaven and Hell are both equally ridiculous concepts. If anything happens to 'you' after death, which is entirely likely for all I know, it really happens to a single spirit that we all share.


I agree.

What's beyond infinity? There is something else beyond this material world. We are animals and we see through our animal senses. How can anyone claim to know everything? If we are true to ourselves, I doubt that anyone would say that all this was created from nothing.
There is so much more than what religion has to offer. Remember when you were a kid and you believed in God? I'm not talking about the fear that we were taught as children, but the sense of something higher that connected us and made everything meaningful. Didn't you all hear that inner voice?

Go ahead, laugh, I'm used to it, but nice to Autistic Malcontent. He's a good person.

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05 Oct 2008, 2:53 am

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i find christians speaking the "word of god" to me to be offensive and disrespectful even if they say it is what they have to do..... they never seem to hear me politely telling them i'm not interested...they're like car salesmen or military recruiters......


That's the kind of Christian I never want to be.



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05 Oct 2008, 3:02 am

No, I never heard any inner voice. That's called schizophrenia.



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05 Oct 2008, 3:11 am

No, that is what brainwashed people who can't follow their own path call schizophrenia. It's called a conscience, you should get one, it's cool.
All the cool kids on myspace are going to be getting them soon so if you hurry, you'll be one of the trend setters. :lol:

Conscience is a hypothesized ability or faculty that distinguishes whether our actions are right or wrong. In plain English, it is a person's inner sense of what is right or what is wrong morally. It leads to feelings of remorse when we do things that go against our moral values, and to feelings of rectitude or integrity when our actions conform to our moral values. It is also the attitude which informs our moral judgment before performing any action. The extent to which such moral judgments are based in reason has been a matter of controversy almost throughout the history of Western philosophy.

Commonly used metaphors refer to the "voice of conscience" or "voice within."


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05 Oct 2008, 7:44 am

Magnus wrote:
It's called a conscience
:D That was my first thought when I read Sand's post. Glad you said it. The non-believer will often say...Why does God never speak to me? The believer easily says...He speaks to you through your conscience.



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05 Oct 2008, 9:21 am

Considering the stupidity and the brutality that is a major common item in the way the world is run what is right and what is wrong seems to have some inconsistency in what all those voices seem to be saying. The situation in the USA on finance, ecology, foreign policy, medical care, police brutality, immigrant policy etc., if it is dependent upon voices, seems to be full of static.



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05 Oct 2008, 10:29 am

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Considering the stupidity and the brutality that is a major common item in the way the world is run what is right and what is wrong seems to have some inconsistency in what all those voices seem to be saying. The situation in the USA on finance, ecology, foreign policy, medical care, police brutality, immigrant policy etc., if it is dependent upon voices, seems to be full of static.


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05 Oct 2008, 11:58 am

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Interventionist or not the evidence against god is fairly strong.


Point out an item of this 'evidence'; I'm interested in hearing about it


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05 Oct 2008, 12:02 pm

The separation from God which characterizes human existence can be alleviated through repentance, worship, and prayer. Otherwise, you as a person may never hear, see, or sense the presence of God.



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05 Oct 2008, 12:05 pm

LOL


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05 Oct 2008, 12:20 pm

Typical heathen response. :P



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05 Oct 2008, 12:34 pm

LOL


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05 Oct 2008, 1:05 pm

There are some people who don't believe in God and they may never know the infinite. Are they worth saving?
Light can't exist without darkness. Let these people be, it's who they are. Treat everyone as you would want to be treated.

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05 Oct 2008, 1:29 pm

If anybody claims to know the infinite you can be very sure they are deluded.



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05 Oct 2008, 1:41 pm

You never were in awe over the notion of infinity? Wow, I'm sorry. It's very beautiful. I'm not deluded, but you can say whatever you want about me because you haven't experienced what I have. I know that by how offensive you are towards me.

God is something that can be grasped and there is always more, more truth and wonder that is magnetic. Have you ever known Bliss?
It's something that makes you want to cling to it and it draws you up so that you grow spiritually.

I don't know why I bother to explain this. It's like love. If you have never experienced it, you can rationalize it away. But, don't you feel empty?
To deny God would seem to be living a meaningless existence without joy and inspiration. Sure there is suffering when you go on this path that reveals your soul, but it's worth it. Some people are afraid of it because it exposes you at the core and who you are may not be who you want to be.
You may have to repent and all those bad things you did you will feel yourself. It's a learning process. A very hard struggle, but an awesome process that causes a metamorphosis.

It's easier to remain in this animal state and not seek enlightenment, I understand that. But, you should try to understand those who do want to search beyond these material realms and not be so mean hearted to us.


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05 Oct 2008, 1:46 pm

Sand wrote:
If anybody claims to know the infinite you can be very sure they are deluded.


Can you give mathematical reasons to justify this statement?
What exactly does it mean to know infinity? Infinity defies intuition and common sense, and is often paradoxical.