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17 Oct 2008, 3:24 am

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[Also, Baptists are probably the only major branch of Christianity that I just plain dislike in a blanket fashion. I may disagree theologically with Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodists, but I can get along with them just fine. Baptists tend to get on my nerves though.


You do realize there are a number of fundamentalist protestant sects in the US BESIDES baptists: like presbyterians, pentacostals, 7th day Adventists,and Born Again Christians.

Presbies are fundamentalist? :roll: :lol: Nope. Presbyterianism is actually a pretty liberal denomination. And I pointed to Baptists as the only major branch of Christianity I have a problem with. I also have problems with the fringies like 7th day adventists and JW.


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17 Oct 2008, 3:27 am

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Presbyterians believe in Christian liberty, which allows for them to drink and gamble, whereas Baptists are hard-core against any fun.

Presbyterians have maintained a strong opposition to gambling and, while we have backed off from the historic prohibitionist stance, drinking is still viewed with some slight suspicion and members of the church are encouraged (though certainly not required) to refrain from drinking, at least in excess.

But still, we aren't all that legalistic. Many Presbyterian congregations accept homosexuals into their community, and tend more to emphasize God's grace and forgiveness rather than "OMG you're a sinner you're going to Hell!" that is more common among fundies.


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17 Oct 2008, 4:42 am

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Of the Christian community as a whole, liberal Christians are generally the Fonzi's of the bunch.


What do you mean by this, exactly?


They're cool and easy to talk to like you and Orwell.


Oh, I see. Thank you. Although I'm not as charismatic as the young Arthur Fonzerelli.



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17 Oct 2008, 11:25 am

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Presbies are fundamentalist? :roll: :lol: Nope. Presbyterianism is actually a pretty liberal denomination. And I pointed to Baptists as the only major branch of Christianity I have a problem with. I also have problems with the fringies like 7th day adventists and JW.

Orwell, it depends upon the Presbyterian group you are affiliated with. There are conservative Christian Presbyterians, they are not as bad as the Baptists, but still, I have known of Presbyterians who have jumped upon the ID bandwagon and so on and so forth.



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17 Oct 2008, 11:28 am

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Presbyterians have maintained a strong opposition to gambling and, while we have backed off from the historic prohibitionist stance, drinking is still viewed with some slight suspicion and members of the church are encouraged (though certainly not required) to refrain from drinking, at least in excess.

Ok, however, Presbyterians can drink. You are right, I did lump gambling too quickly into Christian liberty as they understand it. I just know that Baptists are really anti-gambling.
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But still, we aren't all that legalistic. Many Presbyterian congregations accept homosexuals into their community, and tend more to emphasize God's grace and forgiveness rather than "OMG you're a sinner you're going to Hell!" that is more common among fundies.

Well, Baptists are worse, however, Presbyterians *can* be bad. Their faith will tend towards a Calvinistic focus on unmerited grace, but that does not mean that they will make the right choices.



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17 Oct 2008, 11:31 am

slowmutant wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
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Of the Christian community as a whole, liberal Christians are generally the Fonzi's of the bunch.


What do you mean by this, exactly?


They're cool and easy to talk to like you and Orwell.


Oh, I see. Thank you. Although I'm not as charismatic as the young Arthur Fonzerelli.


But then again, who is?


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17 Oct 2008, 12:25 pm

AG, there are quite a few Presbies who tend towards the fundie side, but those more commonly are members of PCA, which is a much smaller fringe break-off from the main PC(USA) denomination here in America. And I'm sure PCUSA has some fundies too, since we aren't strict about making sure the laity share all the official church views (which include a moderate pro-choice stance as well as support for gun control, which should give you a hint of the church's relative liberalism) but you get some fundies in every denomination.


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17 Oct 2008, 4:44 pm

[quote="Haliphron"

You do realize there are a number of fundamentalist protestant sects in the US BESIDES baptists: like presbyterians, pentacostals, 7th day Adventists,and Born Again Christians.[/quote]

I get your original point - Baptists aren't the only (or the worst) type of fundamentalists.

On the other hand, I like the peace-church fundies ... Amish, Mennonite, Bretheren, etc.



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17 Oct 2008, 6:59 pm

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AG, there are quite a few Presbies who tend towards the fundie side, but those more commonly are members of PCA, which is a much smaller fringe break-off from the main PC(USA) denomination here in America. And I'm sure PCUSA has some fundies too, since we aren't strict about making sure the laity share all the official church views (which include a moderate pro-choice stance as well as support for gun control, which should give you a hint of the church's relative liberalism) but you get some fundies in every denomination.

Well, ok. And the PCA is still somewhat significant. I agree, there are fundies in every denomination. Perhaps I was a bit too negative, I just have known more people in the PCA than in the PCUSA.



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17 Oct 2008, 7:30 pm

Now you have me interested. What is so wrong with the Baptists?



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17 Oct 2008, 7:43 pm

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Well, ok. And the PCA is still somewhat significant. I agree, there are fundies in every denomination. Perhaps I was a bit too negative, I just have known more people in the PCA than in the PCUSA.

You must be from the South or something. PCA is almost negligible next to PCUSA.


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17 Oct 2008, 7:48 pm

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Now you have me interested. What is so wrong with the Baptists?

They have a tendency to be fundies and bigots. A friend of mine in high school, once a devout fundie YEC, was driven away from Christianity entirely because his Baptist church rejected him over his sexuality. As seen from that example, Baptists are polarizing- you accept this particular view of every theological issue, or you reject religion entirely and burn in hell. Baptists are also the ones largely responsible for giving Christians our poor reputation in intellectual matters, as those tend to be the ones most commonly arguing against evolution and science in general. Also, they're arrogant. They claim to have all the answers, reject the possibility that they could be wrong on any issue, and ignore the fact that it is possible for honest, well-intentioned people to disagree on a matter of Biblical interpretation- their interpretation is just so obviously correct that anyone who views a passage differently than they do is merely ignoring what the Bible says. :roll: On top of that, they insist on sticking with the KJV (known by modern scholarship to be one of the less good translations of the Bible) and yet constantly insist that it is the best and only valid English translation because it's "more true to the original."

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17 Oct 2008, 7:58 pm

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was driven away from Christianity entirely because his Baptist church rejected him
*raises hand*
Thanks for the rant...just wondering if it was just me. :? I am much happier with the views I have now. I have had plenty of years to get past it, but some things are hard to shake completely. I must say, several members here are helping with that. :wink:



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17 Oct 2008, 8:47 pm

claire333 wrote:
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was driven away from Christianity entirely because his Baptist church rejected him
*raises hand*
Thanks for the rant...just wondering if it was just me. :? I am much happier with the views I have now. I have had plenty of years to get past it, but some things are hard to shake completely. I must say, several members here are helping with that. :wink:


*raises hand*

Once evangelical and lost my faith. I eventually became Christian again, but much different from before.



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17 Oct 2008, 8:52 pm

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You must be from the South or something. PCA is almost negligible next to PCUSA.

Oh, woe is me. My relative geographic location has been given away so quickly!



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17 Oct 2008, 8:56 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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You must be from the South or something. PCA is almost negligible next to PCUSA.

Oh, woe is me. My relative geographic location has been given away so quickly!

I'm going to bet Texas/Oklahoma region actually, based on some other things you've mentioned. But even in such areas as those, I'm surprised to hear that you've met more PCA people than PCUSA.


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