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01 Dec 2005, 4:52 pm

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Shall we put two and two together here, or do you think the Koran and Hadith are also CIA/Mossad conspiracies?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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01 Dec 2005, 11:20 pm

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Sean, Klytus, Happeh, and Machloket, I would advise you to cut out the insults or I will tell the Mods.


RobertN, the mods are already watching this thread. Keep it civil and argue with the ideas that people present, not the people themselves.


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02 Dec 2005, 12:13 am

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Please continue you rants and raves, as i know you will. . To say that Israel controls the U.S. is an insult to the 290 million citizens of both nations.
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Not really.Here is some really dry stuff about Israeli loyal Neo Cons sitting up a false intelligence operation to feed lies about Iraq to various places to get the war against Iraq going for Israel.


After 9/11, Wolfowitz, Feith and his subordinate, Harold Rhode, recruited David Wurmser as a contractor from the conservative think tank the American Enterprise Institute to set up what became known internally as the "Wurmser-Maloof" project.

F. Michael Maloof, neocon fellow traveler and former aide to Richard Perle, and Wurmser created a hidden intelligence unit, the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group, under Feith at the Pentagon.

The purpose of the group was to end-run the CIA and create the rationale for invading Iraq.

The parallel operations model was previously followed by Oliver North at the National Security Council and Elliott Abrams at State in their ill-fated Iran-Contra strategy. It should have come as no surprise that another neocon think-tank insider, Abram Shulsky, an Abrams colleague from their days as staffers to Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson, would end up heading up what became the Office of Special Plans, the secret intelligence unit at the Pentagon under Feith.

The weapons of mass destruction disinformation that was fed to the president and to the American public came directly from Shulsky's shop.

The weapons of mass destruction lies came directly from an Israelis shop is what that last line says.

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/salon39.html



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02 Dec 2005, 12:14 am

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Were you a fan of Saddam Hussein, Happeh?


Were you a fan of Bozo The Clown?



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02 Dec 2005, 12:25 am

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If the collapse of the towers was due to bombs, why didn't the supposed conspirators just set a bomb off instead? Too simple huh??


Not spectacular enough. Have you seen a building implosion? It falls down and dust flies out. The Neo Con PNAC document said they needed another Pearl Harbor to take over the USA and start a war. Two airplanes flying into two large towers was dramatic TV.

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Do you really think the Americans (or, for Happeh, the Israelis) would be able to find people (the hijackers) willing to commit suicide for the sake of some oil pipelines in the Middle East??


Sure. They are called patriots. Get people willing to do suicide missions for your country. For you in the comfort of your living room that is stupid. For a brainwashed soldier, it is an honor, and life long support for the surviving family.

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Or maybe, as RobertN suggests, the Americans and the Islamic extremists were working together. Why the hell would they do that, seeing as the event has led to them fighting against each other in Iraq? (Or, at least, the Americans are fighting; the Islamists are murdering civilians instead.)??


Now that is silly. I don't know why RobertN would say that. Why would Islamists cooperate with the USA government when the result was the persecution of Islamic people world wide? It makes no sense. Israelis have acheived many of their world domination goals because of 9/11. They had something to gain by all of this.

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Do you people who support the bomb theory remember that a bomb was set off by Islamist terrorists under the WTC in 1993? (It failed to bring the building down.) Do you think this was a conspiracy too? What about the Islamist terrorist bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998? Do you think these were inside jobs too? .)??


It is a known fact that the Israelis knew about the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon I think it was. They did not tell the USA because it benefited Israel to have all those marines killed. The Israelis are capable of anything, murdering anyone, to attain their goals. Yes I heard of the bomb under the WTC. I don't know who was behind it. I have not looked into it.

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Islamic terrorism has been a reality for decades. ?


So has Israeli World Dominatin.

Klytus wrote:
Did you know that Islamic terrorists tried to assassinate the Pope in Manila in 1994? Why didn't America / Israel just let them get away with it, or is the Vatican in on the conspiracy too??


Did you know the last pope was jewish?

Klytus wrote:
Did you know that Islamic extremists besieged Mecca in 1979 in protest that the ruling Saud dynasty were not Islamic enough? Do you want to blame the Americans for that episode too???


Did you know that the Israelis besieged Arafat, the leader of the Palestinians, in plain view of world wide TV cameras for 3 years? And no one did a thing?

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Now, why should there be so much terrorism committed in the name of Islam? Well, there are passages in the Koran and Hadith that explicitly advocate jihad, murder and terrorism. Shall we put two and two together here, or do you think the Koran and Hadith are also CIA/Mossad conspiracies?


Why is there so much killing by the Israelis in Palestine?

Because they love it. They love to murder men, women and children. They love to torture and abuse them just like the Nazi's treated the Israelis in WWII. They are racist. They is no doubt. And they get away with it in front of the worlds because they own the western world.



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02 Dec 2005, 12:26 am

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Happeh, why dont you like the Kurdish people? Or the Isralies for that matter? Is there ANYONE, besides yourself, that you DO like? I dont think I ever thought to ask that of you. Just wondering so we can attempt to understand where you are comming from. :roll:


And you wonder why I ignore your posts. Your comments are foolishness.



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02 Dec 2005, 7:13 am

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Happeh, why dont you like the Kurdish people? Or the Isralies for that matter? Is there ANYONE, besides yourself, that you DO like? I dont think I ever thought to ask that of you. Just wondering so we can attempt to understand where you are comming from. :roll:


And you wonder why I ignore your posts. Your comments are foolishness.


:roll: Ignore away. I asked a valad question that I think you are unable, or unwilling to answer.... lol :lol:



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02 Dec 2005, 7:27 am

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Klytus wrote:
If the collapse of the towers was due to bombs, why didn't the supposed conspirators just set a bomb off instead? Too simple huh??


Not spectacular enough. Have you seen a building implosion? It falls down and dust flies out. The Neo Con PNAC document said they needed another Pearl Harbor to take over the USA and start a war. Two airplanes flying into two large towers was dramatic TV.


Yea sure, dramatic TV. caught by the camcorders of people "in on it" I bet.... :roll:
Those FDNY guys working with the documentary guys that caught the first plane on camera while the FD was checking a gas leak must have been figments of the world's imagination too? Or were the Frenchmen that were filming that Rookie's first year in the station in on it as well?
Dramatic TV, how assinine a statement..... :roll:

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Klytus wrote:
Do you people who support the bomb theory remember that a bomb was set off by Islamist terrorists under the WTC in 1993? (It failed to bring the building down.) Do you think this was a conspiracy too? What about the Islamist terrorist bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998? Do you think these were inside jobs too? .)??

It is a known fact that the Israelis knew about the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon I think it was. They did not tell the USA because it benefited Israel to have all those marines killed...


8O Lebanon, you THINK it was. Do you even know the year? Or the number of US MARINES that perished? Continue to show your ignorance in military issues. If you really wanted to make a point, you'd know your facts and use reputable sources rather than blindly saying the jews were resposible for everything that happens in the world... I support Israel, but I do not for a moment think that they are as powerful as you illude to. In control of everything? I think not. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Klytus wrote:
Did you know that Islamic terrorists tried to assassinate the Pope in Manila in 1994? Why didn't America / Israel just let them get away with it, or is the Vatican in on the conspiracy too??

Did you know the last pope was jewish?


He was Polish. POLISH! As in POLAND. As in the same town my Great grand father's people were from.



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02 Dec 2005, 7:40 am

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The West should leave the Third World alone and stop stealing their resources. Stop using wars, terrorists, AIDS, SARS, bird flu and other means as a method to reduce the population of colored people in the world.


Hahahahahaha. Now AIDS, SARS and bird flu are Western (or should I say Jewish) conspiracies too are they?
Do you think the world was a big, happy, peaceful utopia before The West came into being?



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02 Dec 2005, 11:35 pm

Happeh wrote:

Not really.Here is some really dry stuff about Israeli loyal Neo Cons sitting up a false intelligence operation to feed lies about Iraq to various places to get the war against Iraq going for Israel.


After 9/11, Wolfowitz, Feith and his subordinate, Harold Rhode, recruited David Wurmser as a contractor from the conservative think tank the American Enterprise Institute to set up what became known internally as the "Wurmser-Maloof" project.

F. Michael Maloof, neocon fellow traveler and former aide to Richard Perle, and Wurmser created a hidden intelligence unit, the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group, under Feith at the Pentagon.

The purpose of the group was to end-run the CIA and create the rationale for invading Iraq.

The parallel operations model was previously followed by Oliver North at the National Security Council and Elliott Abrams at State in their ill-fated Iran-Contra strategy. It should have come as no surprise that another neocon think-tank insider, Abram Shulsky, an Abrams colleague from their days as staffers to Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson, would end up heading up what became the Office of Special Plans, the secret intelligence unit at the Pentagon under Feith.

The weapons of mass destruction disinformation that was fed to the president and to the American public came directly from Shulsky's shop.

The weapons of mass destruction lies came directly from an Israelis shop is what that last line says.

http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/salon39.html


If you want to make such wild statements, please at least use some legitimate sources, not flyby night style, tom dick and hary personal oppinion websites.

BTW, the WMDs were NOT an illusion, Saddam had some at least, and USED them. Not all WMDs are nuclear. The allies did find some evidence of the weaponry he was supposed to have gotten rid of a long time ago, like Chem weapon lab vans, and chem weapon shells. He did have Chem weapons and use them. Some have even speculated he had some kind of bio weapon he used on Saudia Arabia, though, i have not heard information confirming this. Then again, none of the evidence you have regarded as fact can be substantiated either, so maybe you will like that tidbit after all. In truth Saddam was lying and hiding something, he thought his scientists were getting close, but i bet he spent so much of what little money his nation produced to build several useless and luxiurious palaces for him and his family, while his own people starved. Just like the PLO leaders, they spend much of the donated money from world wide aide, including money from the U.S. on THEMSELVES. You know why, cause terrorist and islamic extremists are in fact more western capitalist than the average US citizen, very greedy and selfish. THey acheive leadership for money and power, NOTHING MORE, they dont care about their own people. If they did, they would use such money to help them, not on themselves. Yes one could say the US has some of that problem, but the way our government is designed its spread out and sometimes such corruptions are caught and publicized. What defence is there in such nations like the PLO and Saddam's Iraq? NONE.



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03 Dec 2005, 6:45 am

thank you Epimonandas. :!: Voice of reason..... And I know the Kurds are too familiar with the WMD as well..... :cry:



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04 Dec 2005, 2:12 am

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Happeh, stop insulting people. Thats a sure effective way of winning people to your side, NOT.


But it is fine with you if Mackloket says I am delusional?

Hypocrite.

It's fine by alot of people to say that you are delusional! Alot of people think it, but Matchlocket was the first to have the balls to say it.

Actually, I wasn't the first person to say it:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php ... post906763

I found some neat stuff on the Internet, such as where Happeh learned of AS:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=82221

And other good stuff by Happeh:
http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?a=vie ... &v=flatold

http://forums.ugo.com/showthread.php?t= ... ge=1&pp=15

http://forums.seriouszone.com/archive/index.php/t-30929

http://forums.seriouszone.com/archive/index.php/t-29229

martial arts

"Opinion" (letters to the editor)
http://www.ccsf.edu/Events_Pubs/Guardsm ... tml#letter

http://www.ccsf.edu/Events_Pubs/Guardsm ... ml#Letters

Perhaps the best:
http://www.happeh.com/forums/memberlist ... perpage=10

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04 Dec 2005, 3:32 am

He only sounds a little crazy in his essays from eight years ago. Machlocket, how did you find this stuff? Did you ever find anything that might suggest he is a danger to himself or others?

Ah, fun with paranoid schizophrenics. :twisted:



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04 Dec 2005, 4:41 am

Mods, would it be too much to post how Happeh thinks that martial arts moves in DragonballZ can be done in real life?



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04 Dec 2005, 4:55 am

why would you want to? if anyone else did to you, i'd be on their case, wagging my finger about personal attacks. it isn't right, or fair, to pick and choose which members have which "rules" applied to them.

and that goes for everybody else, too.

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04 Dec 2005, 6:21 am

Machloket,
clever detective work..... It looks like that last page was disabled by the owner in such a way that no one can read the foolishness.... lol.

I have to seriously wonder, and not trying to be mean, why he does this in the first place. I think that the comments that he made about Aspergers, here and on other sites is really disturbing. If it wasnt so offensive, it would honestly be sad.