Eugenics

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ah, but yes. Come spend a day in the "Bible Belt" or as I like to call SC, the "Buckle of the Bible Belt"

I have a feeling most of those people are only opposed to premarital sex when they're talking about somebody else.

Jeremy

ROTFLMAO! Somehting tells me you're right.... and thou shalt not commit adultry as well......

Even if 9/11 were a valid excuse for the attacks against Iraq, a single blockbuster bomb would have been sufficient and the same goes for Afghanistan. Over one incident, a trillion dollars has been spent. The treasury is so empty that to even put a bottom on it will require throwing hundreds of billions of dollars down a black hole. If this is how we deal with one incident that hurt us, in terms of human lives, as much as three days of smoking-related deaths, our ability to plan and control our military strategies is worse than the ability of a dog to control his bowels on a steady diet of Ex-lax and Vaseline. The war against Iraq is not just useless, it proves extremely bad judgement. We've managed to expend what amounts to all of our military might on a worthless target. Does anyone think that we can run the next war in any fashion that might come close to winning against a real adversary in the shape we are in now?

For all of the excuses we can contrive to lose control of ourselves this way, we still lost control of ourselves. We had every opportunity to do otherwise and chose consciously not to take it. We also chose consciously to punish, revile, and eliminate the effect of anyone who would have encouraged us to take a wiser course of action. Even sitting on our hands would have been better than where we are now. "We just have to do something" is sheer idiocy. It's an excuse to do idiotic things. If we can't think of anything that will return more benefits for our costs than doing nothing, then we should do nothing and not allow ourselves to be persuaded to "do something" that will cost us everything we have and return us nothing. The people who led us into this war saying that we just had to do something are the ones who should be punished, reviled, and jailed. So should the people who followed them. I am sick of sitting still while heinous crimes are being committed against the citizens of the U.S. like this.

I also can't believe that going over there and blowing up all those people and their homes is going to make them less likely to want to attack us. That doesn't work as a deterrent nearly as well as it works to make them angry and to make them make plans.

"My one aim in life has been to destroy the Conservative Party".

Tony Blair, September 2005.

Enough said.

Having been thus made to feel a pariah in my own country by my own government, I shudder at any attempt to introduce a system of eugenics by any government of any political colour in this country.

Behind British democracy lies a series of civil wars. Therefore any attempt by any British politician to interfere with who can reproduce and under what circumstances is doomed to bring Nazism in by the back door, and that is a (strictly speaking) left wing politician speaking.

The most powerful anti-terrorism statement there is.

I was almost in our July 7 bombings and the polls suggested overwhelmingly that Iraq was the cause and had made us a prime target.

I'm not sure what you mean, but I will trade a "powerful" and angry response for one that works.

Did it ever occur to anyone that we can and will have much more important fish to fry? The terrorists don't kill even one hundredth as many people as smoking related illnesses or preventable cardiovascular disease. And even if death by disease is somehow not important, we need to strengthen our country and build up our military a lot more than we need to go over to Iraq and blow up a lot of sand. For the sake of what amounts to a tap on our chin, we have left ourselves much more vulnerable to military takeover. We may have a pretty decent military but we don't have anything to waste, and we've wasted it.

And dropping one bomb would sufice? A bomb of that maginitude is forbidden to be used by all kinds of treaties. We can discuss the reasoining for bing there till we are blue in the face....
The fact remains that we are there, and the job at hand must be finished before we leave or all we have done is in vain.

I said a "blockbuster" bomb. That is a fairly specific type of bomb, approximately a thousand pounds of conventional explosives. They were flung about with gay abandon during the early part of the invasion. I think that you are thinking of the "bunker-buster" bomb, one that has been researched but as far as I know doesn't exist, and is a popular name for a kind of nuclear weapon. Not that I know a lot about weapons.

All that we have done in Iraq is in vain and worse even if we finish the job. Mark my words because they are going to be proven more right than your worst nightmares. I don't think it makes a difference when we pull out as far as "achieving the mission." The only difference that we could have made would have been to have never started. The only benefit we can achieve now is to stop throwing money, hardware, and people down this rathole.

The trouble is that when Iraq decides to act up again, no one will be able to deny that the U.S. installed the government that turns against us. At best the U.S. will have to contrive a revolution just to avoid blame for what happens. This will cause even more instability and we are going to be screwed whichever way we go.

Remnant - I meant that we can't win the war on terror with more violence against "rogue states" or restrictions on civil liberties.

Here in the UK Parliament threw out legislation to hold people without trial for 90 days. It also threw out giving the police powers of house arrest (or at least significantly watered down that piece of legislation). In the past that sort of power has only exacerbated terrorism (e.g. the IRA stepped up their campaign after the British government started rounding up suspects and holding them indefinitely without trial in the 60s andd 70s). The IRA were much more active than Al-Qaeda are and yet the governments dealing with them were very skilled in their handling of terrrorism legislation. The current government responds to any act of terrorism - however much it seems to be a once-off incident - with granting the police new powers to arrest people. It is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut - the damage is usually done anyway.

But that's just for clarification as I agree with what you go on to say.

I know a fair amount about weapons, not everything mind you, but some. And the "one bomb" response to an entire country isnot going to make a dent if its conventional. IM NOT advocating nukes here, Im just saying that conventional weapons that havent been banned by the UN arent nearly enough to do the job.

AS far as the government goes, well, we are there and we, at the very least, owe it to the people there to ensure that when we leave, the government is established and stable. After we are gone, well, theres nothing we can do then....

Thank you, Cat. I wish those people were smarter so we wouldn't have to keep going through these cycles. This cycle I keep having this "we almost made it" kind of pain.

I have heard about weapons in US that are genetic.
For example, I heard somewhere that 80% of Chinese have O type blood.
Future wars of this caliber would severly weaken humanity and are nightmarish.
Think Gundum Seed.

That was sort of my point. The 9/11 incident didn't make much of a dent on us. How much revenge is enough? Wreck an entire country and tens of thousands of theirs in revenge for five thousand of ours plus one horrendous clean-up job? Do we actually look good whining like babies about how badly they hurt us? When we give them even more power over us than they tried to take, like here, you broke a pinky nail, let's give you the entire arm? Does it look good to abandon all critical thinking and common sense to a portion of our population that has always been overbearing and mindlessly violent? We haven't made the world safer. We have converted many thousands who had no grudge against the U.S. into people who have a blood debt to pay. Many thousands who could have been won to our side have been turned over to the more extremist and violent side of the Moslem world. We've even managed to get rid of a government that was primarily Sunni and forcibly made it into a Shiite government, the kind of Moslem nature that uses torture and murder as government and religious policy. Saddam was better than they are going to be and we are going to have much more trouble from them than we had from Saddam. Good going! Let's use 9/11 as an excuse to make the world a much more horrible, damaged place with many more people in it who want to destroy the U.S.!

Uh, so do an awful lot of people who are not Chinese. Type O positive is the most common blood type in the world, IIRC.

Why would anyone want to kill off 80% of the Chinese people?