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27 Nov 2008, 3:45 am

I'm not particularly for guns only because the fatality rate of them is so high here in America. I just like to use one in target practice but I myself have never owned one.

It seems like you hear more news about accidental shootings than you do with a self defense stories. I knew my brother in-law's sibling who was killed by his own gun while messing with it. Horrible tragedy, I don't know if anything could've been done.

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27 Nov 2008, 3:46 am

richardbenson wrote:

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oh well im sorry to hear that. but a few bad apples shouldnt really dictate nasty legislation to take away freedoms, i can tell you one thing. if someone broke into my house and i didnt have gun rights what am i gonna do? throw the nice arrangement of tulips that is convienantly next to my side at all times at him? please nothing sais im more serious than you have a gun, to protect yourself. if you have a taser or pepper spray that isnt going to get your point across, "hey man dont touch my jewlery! i have a can of pepper spray!" the dude will laugh at you, shoot you (because more than likely he has a gun) kill you and then rob you! you need a gun, to answer a gun.

my daddy shot himself, that is how he died, richardbenson. I am not saying he couldn't have died by any other means, it was there, and he reached for it. (and we had to clean it up)

Merle

oh jesus merle that is awful! im sorry, and i now know why you hate guns so much. i guess if someone close to me died by the means of a gun i would have the same opinions about such weaponery.

The world is full of stories like Merle's, RB. Stupid deaths, pointless, needless waste of human life. It's the American Dream, I guess. That's why I hate guns, too.

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27 Nov 2008, 9:48 am

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27 Nov 2008, 10:11 am

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That is a little harsh. What do guns have to do with suicide rates?

Take a wild guess.

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27 Nov 2008, 10:30 am

claire333 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Take a wild guess.

I would guess a gun never caused anyone to reach that state of mind.

You don't think anyone has ever shot themselves to escape life? Not once? Not one person, ever, in the history of the world? Eyes open.

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27 Nov 2008, 10:47 am

claire333 wrote:

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You don't think anyone has ever shot themselves to escape life? Not once? Not one person, ever, in the history of the world? Eyes open.

I think if one really wants to go, they will find a way.

Guns make suicide quick, easy, and painless. All a person has to do is put the barrel in their mouth and pull the trigger. BLAMMO!

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27 Nov 2008, 10:59 am

slowmutant wrote:

Guns make suicide quick, easy, and painless. All a person has to do is put the barrel in their mouth and pull the trigger. BLAMMO!

No, actually, what makes suicide painless is overdosing on sleeping pills or sitting in a garage with a running car pumping out carbon monoxide. In any case, guns can be replaced with high areas to jump from, as if you jump from a high location, the shock of impact will kill you pretty quickly. Wrecking your car into something at a high speed could also work. Razors are also used for a relatively quick death, as if you cut your arm up, you will bleed to death pretty quickly.

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27 Nov 2008, 12:17 pm

As far as the whole gun/suicide thing goes, here's some interesting stats: in the US, women are more likely to attempt suicide, but the majority of successful suicides are of men. The reason is because men generally choose more lethal methods (such as a gun in the mouth) whereas women might choose to overdose on sleeping pills, which is not as reliable a method of killing oneself.

Guns do make suicide more convenient. However, it is foolish and naive to blame the item itself for the problem, as people have been doing for crime. It is better to deal with the root causes of what makes people suicidal rather than take away everyone's guns.

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27 Nov 2008, 12:37 pm

claire333 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Take a wild guess.

I would guess a gun never caused anyone to reach that state of mind.

Examples:

My brother in law's brother shot himself by accident. He was pretty good when it came to deer or bird hunting. It was just an accident.

I had a boyfriend a few years back get shot wound on the side of his hip from gang members. I don't think he was affiliated with any gangs.

My neighbor's grandson was involved with a hit and run. Again a gang. I would love to know where these idiots who think they own the streets get these guns.

They're not all suicides. I also have had a love for guns but I think some of these incidents as well as looking up the fatality rate from guns is what made me think more about this issue. I try not to look at it from an extreme view since I live in a family of gun lovers.

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27 Nov 2008, 1:06 pm

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I am not saying there are not some really sad gun related instances in the US. There certainly are. One could easily argue that taking guns away from law abiding legal gun owners will do nothing about illegal gang activity or violent crime in general. Also, if you want to argue accidents, you are 9,000 time more likely to be accidentally killed by a doctor than a gun. Not to mention cars...oh the cars. Apples and oranges, I know, but still true. It is a shame that accidents happen.

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Also, if you want to argue accidents, you are 9,000 time more likely to be accidentally killed by a doctor than a gun. Not to mention cars...oh the cars. Apples and oranges, I know, but still true. It is a shame that accidents happen

Never did a statistical arguement about gun accidents. This is from my own experiences involving those I knew who didn't shoot themselves on purpose. You could also argue why America has the highest fatality rate due to guns than any other country and you'll probably get different answeres.

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27 Nov 2008, 2:18 pm

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I think that many Americans, particularly gun lovers, are obsessed with rights before responsibility and consequences.

I agree!

Are you really going to make me go back and dig up your own quotes from another thread? You know, the one where you admit that you know nothing about guns and gun culture? Having established your ignorance on this issue, I think that your opinion can safely be discarded.

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27 Nov 2008, 2:39 pm

MissConstrue wrote:

It seems like you hear more news about accidental shootings than you do with a self defense stories. I knew my brother in-law's sibling who was killed by his own gun while messing with it. Horrible tragedy, I don't know if anything could've been done.

An economics professor named John Lott wrote a book about this phenomenon, called The Bias Against Guns. He details specific examples of defensive gun use in major news stories that went unreported (school shooter stopped by armed principle, etc), as well as compiling statistical models of actual defensive incidents. One common factor in the under reporting of these incidents is that they so often are not reported to the police because "flashing" the gun was all that was necessary for the would be crook to flee. I have personal experience with this, my ex-girlfriend was followed by some guy with road rage who attempted to yank open her driver's side door. The Glock 26 she flashed at him changed his priorities very quickly, and she didn't feel the need to call the cops over it. This is a very common scenario, and happens far more often than most people realize.

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