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22 Jan 2009, 8:20 pm

here is a rhyme i made up in primary school (it is an attempt at that age to sound like old english)

As the centre of entirity extendeth t'ward it's end,
It maximizeth improbability,
And fends it's truth into a bend.

Subtendeth dost it gently back toward it's core again.
It's a route all mass must follow,
And when it comes together...AMEN ! !!



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22 Jan 2009, 11:20 pm

Well, as long as everybody is submitting poetry I might as well join the pack.

PLANCK'S VERSE

From under Euclid's hat
Where space is very flat
The points dance out to anchor skeins of lines
Forming abstract mediums
Subservient to axioms,
Hypotheses and theorems that underlie designs
Which articulate extensions
Of the classical dimensions
Where the ideal and the concrete intertwines.

But something misty-hazy,
A modicum quite crazy,
Infected lines selected parallel.
It was hard to put your finger
On the doubts that tend to linger,
But they rang an alien brass bell.
When scrutinized with rigor

They simply wouldn't figure -
A discord most difficult to quell.

With the grace of an Eglevski
Along came Lobachevski.
He'd an eye to Euclid's parallel device.
By combing suppositions
He discovered new conditions
To make the general precise.
With Riemann he played games
With mathematic aims
And invigorated space with new spice.

Einstein looked at Newton's space.
He measured to the millionth place
And discovered something really wasn't right.
At orders of high magnitude
He found old concepts came unglued,
Especially at speeds close to light.
"The problem is," he had to state,
"Space is really not quite straight
But somehow strangely slickly subtly skewed."

How it's curved, he could not say.
It could be almost any way
Dependent on the mass proximity.
It needed no great miracle
For fourth dimension spherical
But then, in equanimity,
Theories deployed
Hyperbolic paraboloid
Held truth in anonymity.


"This space", he said, "I must
Most radically adjust
By fusing it confusingly with time.
So that the present, past and future
Are joined in special spacial suture.
Not in plan Satanic nor sublime."
Since time is also space
In each and every case,
We should call it tace or, maybe spime.

But events within this framework
Became, no longer, tame work.
The kingdom of the random becomes rife.
Uncertainty is certainty,
Will becomes insanely free,
And God is playing craps with your life.
So, if you are late for dinner,
You no more are a sinner.

Modern physics will explain it to your wife.



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23 Jan 2009, 12:15 am

And here's a rhyme by someone I can't remember ^>ω<^

There once was a girl named Bright,
Whose speed was much faster than light,
She set out one day,
In her relative way,
And returned the previous night.


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23 Jan 2009, 1:04 am

That confused young lady named Bright
Could never get two things just right.
Where time gets entangled
All space gets quite mangled
And she worried where she'd spent last night.



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23 Jan 2009, 2:54 am

Honestly, I do not understand this discussion:

Time is what is measured with clocks. This phenomenon follows some rule (as be subject to alterations via gravity or the movement of system in the measurement happens in relation to an other system, etc.)

Do we have any more unexplained phenomena in respect of this thing called "time"? No? So why starting speculations?



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23 Jan 2009, 9:47 am

Dussel wrote:
Honestly, I do not understand this discussion:

Time is what is measured with clocks. This phenomenon follows some rule (as be subject to alterations via gravity or the movement of system in the measurement happens in relation to an other system, etc.)

Do we have any more unexplained phenomena in respect of this thing called "time"? No? So why starting speculations?


If it were so simple. Very, very, very accurate clocks working perfectly disagree when one moves and the other does not.



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23 Jan 2009, 9:49 am

Sand wrote:
Dussel wrote:
Honestly, I do not understand this discussion:

Time is what is measured with clocks. This phenomenon follows some rule (as be subject to alterations via gravity or the movement of system in the measurement happens in relation to an other system, etc.)

Do we have any more unexplained phenomena in respect of this thing called "time"? No? So why starting speculations?


If it were so simple. Very, very, very accurate clocks working perfectly disagree when one moves and the other does not.


Proving that time and space are intertwined.

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23 Jan 2009, 9:57 am

People who have faith in clocks
Find themselves in a conundrum box
Since time is quite varied
When those clocks are carried
And their ticks do not match with their tocks.



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23 Jan 2009, 8:38 pm

"Plank's Verse" inspired me to post this:

THE DAUGHTER or, 23 ideologies tackle a little girl

Moses mulled a moral law
Sartre said no point

Heraclitus didn't dare
Try to interfere
(Rand concurred it's up to her)

Dad Socratic knew her naught
Though he questioned much

Aristotle deemed her nice
Since averages suffice

Lao let her operate
That's just how she goes

Jesus thought he could forgive her
And that, no matter what

Leonardo, not quite done
Decided I'll have another one

Newton knew she'd come around
Plato'd lock her underground

Darwin hoped she'd break her date
Buddha thought she's way too late

Einstein knew she wouldn't play
To Heisenberg another day

Gödel said to take her word
No matter how absurd

Gandhi thought she could resist
Pirsig's motorcycle lift

Hubbard shew her commerce
Russell ruled enormous

Mao hoped she'd know by now
She's too old to scold

Marshall said it's only talk
Chomsky warned she'll never stop

Eventually, they'll all find out
I'm the one who let her out

~mlh



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24 Jan 2009, 6:51 am

b9 wrote:
i think cancer is the result of chronic irritation.
i think that if there is an irritant that causes damage to cells, then those cells have to replicate in order to repair the area of their inhabitance.

normally, cells have a variable lifespan that is an average of 7 years.

when these cells are doomed by age, they replicate and create new ones in their place.
these replicas are not quite as sharp as the originals.

it is like photocopying a picture because the original picture is crumbling.

the photocopy is one generation of distortion imposed upon the replicated original.

if you photocopy a sharp picture, then photocopy that photocopy, then photocopy that photocopy etc... you will find you have an illegible blotch eventually.

the same is with replication of damaged cells through chronic irritation.

the original information loses an element with each replication.
eventually, the information generates wildly distorted subgenerations and they have no code left that tells them where to stop replicating. they replicate in an unapprehended way and that is cancer.

cancer is inevitable in all beings that age beyond their natural life expectancy.
that is because we can only produce so many cellular replications that are themselves generated from not original sources, but degenerative ones as the cycle repeats.
all cells inherit their immediate parent cells characteristics to an incomplete degree.
the relay between dying and birthing cells is decremental and aging is the result.

i have someone at my door knocking. they will remove my attention from this forum for now


Random, harmful mutations appear more or less the way you say, because of mistakes in the replication. Also, the "buffers" at the ends of DNA-strands - the thelomeres - grow shorter with every replication.

I believe that the only ways to make all forms of cancer impossible would be to either get rid of the need for replication entirely, or to tripple-check every single cell-division. :) The former is obviously the safer bet, as not even a tripple-check could give absolute certainty. The problem in the first option is that it would make the individual somewhat static.


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